User Feedback :: keyboard change does *not* work



It's the goal of a graphical program the one of shielding the user from what really happens.
If you want to see what happens you have to use the command line.
But the problem is not that the user cannot see what happens, but that in this case it doesn't work as expected.
This whole thread is so generic so as to be not useful.
Its like going to the doctor and says it hurts and nothing more.

loadkeys and the keymaps are original Knoppix versions.
Nothing modified by DSL.
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This whole thread is so generic so as to be not useful.  Its like going to the doctor and says it hurts and nothing more.


I find your comment both obnoxious and unfair (not to mention *useless*).

The point is that the control panel has a button which, when pressed, yields no result that a user can see.  Walking along the code or referencing this code to the original Knoppix does *nothing* to help the user which wants to change keyboard without re-booting.

The fact that such a comment can come from a DSL "super administrator" is even more distressing and reminds me of the bad old times with GNU/Linux fora were known for their RTFM tone.

Please do not take offence and my remarks.  I supported DSL several times by purchasing the CDs from you guys, I love DSL, and I will support it in the future.  But it is precisely because I care for it that I find your attitude so disheartening: its like going to the doctor and finding out that he finds your disease "generic".

If you fancy yourself a doctor, then help the patient instead of whining about his boring problem.
I have worked with users regarding Thai keymaps, French keymaps and tried to accomodate German keymaps. I am most accomodating when a specific issue can be specified and reproduced. And many time the community will help in verifiying and validating and sometimes contributing solutions
But to post it doesn't work, with no specifics, leaves me with nothing to try to help you.
The problem:

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I have tried the Swiss keyboad and the Russian one, but nowhere does it change, the US qwerty keyboard remains the only one in the console and in, for example, Ted.


pr0f3550r suggested that I try using booting cheatcodes (either
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dsl keyboard=XXX  xkeyboard=XXX
or
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dsl lang=XXX
 to which I answered
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at boot time does not serve my needs, I need changing keyboards often (...) why not have this keyboard change executed from the control panel keyboard change option; in other words, what's the point of the control panel's keyboard change option


You then suggested that we follow the code to see that what the control's keyboard change does.  You said that what it did was
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The control panel Keyboard button calls /usr/sbin/kbdconfig. Which simply selects the keymaps for user selection.
Then based on this selection call loadkeys.
 I then stressed that I still did not see
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why does this do nothing which the user can see?!


What I meant is the following: when I press the change keyboard to try change my keyboard to a Swiss French or Russian keyboard I see no effect from this keyboard selection either in the terminal or in applications such as Ted.

So to sum up:  the keyboard selection botton on the control panel seems to be designed to allow a keyboard change (like kxkb does in KDE).  However, when I try using it I see no *effect* on my applications which still use the qwerty US keyboard.

It is quite possible that I am doing something wrong, that I am missing something.  I can imagine that my lack of insight on the proper and correct purpose and usage of the keyboard change button might seem boring to far more expert DSL users.  This realization is, however, not sufficient to solve my problem which is: HOW DO I GET A DIFFERENT KEYBOARD FOR TED?!

If that is not clear I am out of ideas to make this clear.

Now, as to your post: as a super moderator (with 1608 posts) I imagine that you should be used to obtuse, confused, intellectually challenged, "manual not reading" or otherwise DSL illiterate users and posters. No matter how exquisitely expert you are, I dare suggest that expression your frustration with far less expert DSL newbies in answer to their admittedly petty and boring concerns is rude.  Even worse, such expressions of disdain and frustration does *nothing* to help the confused newbie and gives the GNU/Linux community a bad reputation.
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