User Feedback :: Usage of murgaLua by DSL

Quote (JohnMurga @ June 18 2008,21:11)

lucky13, you really should go over this :

http://www.marin.cc.ca.us/~don/study/7read.html

My project has (had) a very specific focus and context,
which I have always made clear ... And DSL is a project
I have gone out of my to support.

But either way, if you read this :

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html

And assuming you are able to understand it, you'll
find that my code has been included illegally into DSL
starting at version 4.4 (several reasons which cannot
be fixed by ordering the sources).

A spirit of openness and cooperation is also what was
missing here, and something you also seem unable to
grasp unfortunately.

I really do hope your mean spirited and ignorant
response is not representative of the DSL community
at large as I do have better things to do than deal
with people like that ...

Either way, any further code I WRITE will not be so
easy for people like to miss-appropriate.

Cheers
JohnM

Dear Mr Murga,

Thanks for the links. My reading comprehension is apparently many levels above yours because I understand that the GPL, which is the license under which I seem to recall you released murgalua, doesn't give *you* the right to determine how I use your or anyone else's GPL code on my own computers. Yet that seems to be your biggest problem with all this.

Neither of my previous responses was mean-spirited. Nor was my reference to this and another issue on my blog. I asked if you ordered sources to see if the changes to your code -- ALLOWED UNDER GPL -- have been noted and attributions to you provided. I also reiterated the freedom to users of GPL code to change the code as much as to use it and see it. GPL doesn't require others to use your code as *you* determine, but rather they do.

If you're looking for spirits of cooperation and openness, perhaps you should start with that yourself. Instead, you've insinuated here by linking to your forums that others have violated a license that expressly allows them to use your code in such ways as they have as long as (a) they make the sources available and (b) attribute your copyrights where necessary. You apparently haven't verified for yourself if either has or has not been done. And *you* have the nerve to call *me* ignorant.

I appreciate your freedom to use whatever license is afforded by all the products you've chosen to incorporate into murgalua. Most of them use licenses much less restrictive than GPL which afford you to do whatever you want with it. Too bad you don't share the same views of freedom and would choose to prevent others from using your code as they see fit and, like Bill Gates, require them to use it on your strict terms.

Quote (JohnMurga @ June 18 2008,21:11)

Thanks for the links. My reading comprehension is apparently many levels above yours because I understand that the GPL, which is the license under which I seem to recall you released murgalua, doesn't give *you* the right to determine how I use your or anyone else's GPL code on my own computers. Yet that seems to be your biggest problem with all this.

If putting words into my mouth is the only way you can make you point ...

Almost every point in the GPL V2 (under which I released my code), has been violated ... READ IT.

Quote (JohnMurga @ June 18 2008,21:11)

Neither of my previous responses was mean-spirited. Nor was my reference to this and another issue on my blog. I asked if you ordered sources to see if the changes to your code -- ALLOWED UNDER GPL -- have been noted and attributions to you provided. I also reiterated the freedom to users of GPL code to change the code as much as to use it and see it. GPL doesn't require others to use your code as *you* determine, but rather they do.

Again, READ the GPL V2 and what I have written.

Maybe what you have written too :-)

Quote (JohnMurga @ June 18 2008,21:11)

If you're looking for spirits of cooperation and openness, perhaps you should start with that yourself. Instead, you've insinuated here by linking to your forums that others have violated a license that expressly allows them to use your code in such ways as they have as long as (a) they make the sources available and (b) attribute your copyrights where necessary. You apparently haven't verified for yourself if either has or has not been done. And *you* have the nerve to call *me* ignorant.

Now I'm just thinking you read what you want to believe :-)

But you can keep the ignorant adjective ...

Quote (JohnMurga @ June 18 2008,21:11)

I appreciate your freedom to use whatever license is afforded by all the products you've chosen to incorporate into murgalua. Most of them use licenses much less restrictive than GPL which afford you to do whatever you want with it. Too bad you don't share the same views of freedom and would choose to prevent others from using your code as they see fit and, like Bill Gates, require them to use it on your strict terms.

Wow, again, if you had been paying attention you would have seen I am referring to the code I wrote ... Which as it happens is the code that was ripped out and not attributed (in many ways, as in it's original form it's a command line prog with a copyright notice, the C++ code, etc, etc) ...

But there's other points too.

A minimum of research on your side would reveal that I have always been very aware and careful around the licenses of whose work I use ... But I guess that wouldn't fit into the picture you had made up when you started bating me.

You sad sad man :-)

Cheers
JohnM

Whether we like or not what Mr. Murga has said in his forum about DSL's use of his code, I believe it is an issue for Robert or John and Mr. Murga to discuss. Such discussion affects the future of DSL and MurgaLua and is best left to those project leaders. This would have been best left for the project leaders to discuss in private if they so desired before public responses were made.

Quote (Jason W @ June 18 2008,21:46)

True, but it's also useful for me to appreciate the level of importance that this has to DSL users, and gauge their response as gives me an idea of the community as whole.

And as it is lucky13 had some questions that he wanted answered.

Cheers
JohnM

JasonW:

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This would have been best left for the project leaders to discuss in private if they so desired before public responses were made.

Agreed. Unfortunately Mr Murga's feelings are hurt.

@Murga: I have no more pearls to cast before...

ftp://ftp.oss.cc.gatech.edu/pub....ces.txt

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