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Just like it is not realistic to incrementally update my most recent U2 album to their latest release.

Excellent analogy, Cbagger!  I will have to remember that one!
roberts,
thank you for your thoughtful and informative reply re: time zone problem.  I had seen the info posting you referred to, and was aware of the workarounds listed.  But pity the poor newbie, timidly trying out "this GNU/Linux thing" in Chicago; he types "date" and is shown that he is in EDT or EST.  He frowns, ejects and throws away the DSL cd, reboots, and smiles as Windows comfortingly reassures him that he is indeed in CST or CDT.  He won't be back; he doesn't have time for that kind of nonsense.  

Not good.  

what I suggest is:
1) addition of more time zone info files for those not in the 12 listed (which incidentally seems to exclude the US  Atlantic timezone -- sorry Puerto Rico and US Virgin Islands, you just don't count enough to be considered).  
2) a simple(?) addition to the startup script to either "guess" the user's time zoneand offset from UTC or to allow the user to interactively select it.  
3) and could ntpdate be included, even at the cost of something else less important (hint: games)?  I care about the correct time - and I wish others did too.  

BTW, people can get spoiled by broadband and forget what it's like with out it.  Even with a broadband connection, 50Mb is not an inconsquential download - and burn - and imagine you also had to do the syslinux version as well, for someone else using older equipment.  Now imagine doing all that twice in 3 days, so as to not be "left behind".  

And yes, Debian Stable is a "full" operating system, with all that implies.  Both Debian and DSL have their place.  And so does criticism of both, as appropriate.  Ke4nt, I admire and appreciate the work you have done on DSL.  Please do not take any criticism of DSL personally.  Take it as encouragement to work toward the day that DSL is not #11 on Distrowatch, but #1!  

Finally, to all those who have an irresistable urge to shoot the messenger, may I suggest that they  put on your reading list, "How to Win Friends and Influence People", by Dale Carnegie.  Don't be proud, be smart.  Rread it.  

Aloha!
When I see a post such as yours, an unregistered user, with so much mis-informed statements. I usually let it pass and normally I don't say much.

But I feel I must set the record straight.

!. This project is not run by an amateur radio guy as you seem to think.
2. ke4nt is not a develpoper of the base iso, his role is that of QA and helping to manage the user contributed repository. This is not to belittle his contributions, not only in QA and extensions, but his helpful posts in the forums and the irc channel. He is someone with whom I can work very well with and his input is very valuable to me.
3. If you had read the forum posts then you would know why I made a quick bug fix release.
4. Still you and or anyone else certainly should read the release notes to decide if you wish to download this or any other release of DSL regardless if you have broadband or dialup.
5. If you were a regular user you would know that it is not  normal for DSL to be released every two days. I certainly could not keep up with that schedule.
6. DSL is not a perfect fit for everyone. What other desktop OS fits in under 50MB. There are hard choices to make and to cut to fit in 49.1 MB. Yet you compare with Debian or even Windows.
7. DSL does not  have a staff like Debian or the funding of Ubuntu.
8. DSL is not finished, I have 14 more improvements on my todo list.
9. I don't mind criticism of DSL, I listen to the community and am always trying to come up with ways to improve it.

I hope you don't take this as a  "shoot the messenger" post, as it is not. It is just the facts and corrections of mis-statements.

In closing, I am sorry if your experience with DSL has been a annoying one. But should you wish to further express suggestions for improvements then they belong in the tread entitled "DSL Ideas and Suggestions" and not under Site News.
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roberts,
thank you for your thoughtful and informative reply re: time zone problem.  I had seen the info posting you referred to, and was aware of the workarounds listed.  But pity the poor newbie, timidly trying out "this GNU/Linux thing" in Chicago; he types "date" and is shown that he is in EDT or EST.  He frowns, ejects and throws away the DSL cd, reboots, and smiles as Windows comfortingly reassures him that he is indeed in CST or CDT.  He won't be back; he doesn't have time for that kind of nonsense.  

Not good.  

what I suggest is:
1) addition of more time zone info files for those not in the 12 listed (which incidentally seems to exclude the US  Atlantic timezone -- sorry Puerto Rico and US Virgin Islands, you just don't count enough to be considered).  
2) a simple(?) addition to the startup script to either "guess" the user's time zoneand offset from UTC or to allow the user to interactively select it.  
3) and could ntpdate be included, even at the cost of something else less important (hint: games)?  I care about the correct time - and I wish others did too.  

BTW, people can get spoiled by broadband and forget what it's like with out it.  Even with a broadband connection, 50Mb is not an inconsquential download - and burn - and imagine you also had to do the syslinux version as well, for someone else using older equipment.  Now imagine doing all that twice in 3 days, so as to not be "left behind".  

And yes, Debian Stable is a "full" operating system, with all that implies.  Both Debian and DSL have their place.  And so does criticism of both, as appropriate.  Ke4nt, I admire and appreciate the work you have done on DSL.  Please do not take any criticism of DSL personally.  Take it as encouragement to work toward the day that DSL is not #11 on Distrowatch, but #1!  

Finally, to all those who have an irresistable urge to shoot the messenger, may I suggest that they  put on your reading list, "How to Win Friends and Influence People", by Dale Carnegie.  Don't be proud, be smart.  Rread it.  

Aloha!

Perhaps coming into someones house and bagging on thier parents work isnt a good thing (he may not be my parent..but he is the "father" of dsl)...and hiding behind the unregistered cloak while taking potshots at a man who has done damn near the impossible is very uncool

If you really want to offer up these one sided pet-peeves, perhaps registering, posting, and offering up your list of credentials might get a better response from the members of this community...

Dont come to our house, saying its ugly or not built right and expect a "nice" response...

Brian
AwPhuch
Windows has it's problems too. A few days with AOL and Windows XP will give one more than their share of strange dialog boxes to contend with. The Damn Small Linux project has all the support and careful development one could want. With Windows, you are not going to get that personal level of support. Don't forget the security issues with Windows, it is a main target for hackers. A personal computer user is much better off security-wise running a LiveCD distribution like DSL for his web-surfing and E-mail needs. There is special mention of DSL in Kyle Rankin's "Knoppix Hacks" book, about the Knoppix LiveCD from Klaus Knopper.
DSL is a quality linux distribution that is going to be around a while!
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