NEW DSL AIM-1.5.dsl ---BUT---
Forum: myDSL Extensions (deprecated)
Topic: NEW DSL AIM-1.5.dsl ---BUT---
started by: Your Fuzzy God
Posted by Your Fuzzy God on Sep. 16 2005,22:22
All right guys, I made an AIM (v1.5) .dsl. I know GAIM is already in the repository but I am not a big fan of GAIM. This is the newest version from AOhelL and the DSL rolls in at 1.0 Mb instead of GAIM's 5.6 Mb. The only problem I am having before posting is that AOL licenses its package with the < LGPL >. My understanding (from reading the license) is that I have the right to change the package and re-issue it, provided that I include all changes made. Also, the new package can be licensed under the ordinary GNU General Public License.
So, I guess my question is; would anyone be interested in this before I go to the trouble of modifying the license? Also, will there be any problems hosting this file in the repository?
Let me know guys,
Posted by AwPhuch on Sep. 16 2005,22:40
Can Gaim be made into a .uci pleaseEspecially since the gtk2 main package is 15Megs!
How much space would that .dsl take if it was extracted?
Brian
AwPhuch
Posted by Your Fuzzy God on Sep. 16 2005,23:13
I don't know anything about a gaim.uci, sorry.This package is 3.04 Mb unpacked. You can trim that down if you delete the documentation, sound, and source code.
Posted by friedgold on Sep. 16 2005,23:25
| Quote (Your Fuzzy God @ Sep. 16 2005,23:22) |
| The only problem I am having before posting is that AOL licenses its package with the < LGPL >. My understanding (from reading the license) is that I have the right to change the package and re-issue it, provided that I include all changes made. Also, the new package can be licensed under the ordinary GNU General Public License. |
I'm confused. Why would a program having a LGPL licence be a problem? Why would relicencing to GPL be desirable when simply redistributing? The LGPL is less restrictive than the GPL.
Also my reading of < this page > is that AIM on Linux uses a modified GTK library and it is that which is under the LGPL, not AIM itself. There's no mention on that page of what licence AIM is available under. Freshmeat classifies the licence as '< freeware >'. This may mean that redistribution is not permitted (at least I can't find anyway on the AOL that says redistribution is permitted).
Posted by ke4nt1 on Sep. 17 2005,01:42
Agreed..While the gtk elements are distributable under the LGPL,
( and so they must post it prominently.. )
The code for AIM itself is NOT under any but their own license..
With this type of licensing, DSL repositories will not hold code from AOL/AIM.
It may not even be legal to POST this license here.. ??
| Quote |
| AIM License to You AOL and its vendors grant you a personal, non-exclusive, non-transferable limited license to install the software and services distributed by AOL (including all software and services provided by a third-party vendor for AOL) in object code form only on any computer or device from which you wish to access the AIM service and all other AIM Products ("Software") and to use the Software for the sole and exclusive purposes of connecting to and using the AIM Products in accordance with these Terms of Service. You may not sub-license, or charge others to use or access the Software without first obtaining written permission from AOL. AOL occasionally will provide automatic upgrades to improve your online experience, such as virus and spam screening technologies, although these upgrades may not be consistent across all platform and devices. You agree to accept and to take no action to interfere with such automatic upgrades, scanning, and related services. You may not sell, assign, grant a security interest in or otherwise transfer any right in the Software or incorporate it (or any portion of it) into another product. You may not copy the Software. You may not translate, reverse-engineer or reverse-compile or decompile, disassemble, make derivative works from, or otherwise attempt to discover any source code in the Software. You may not modify the Software or use it in any way not expressly authorized by these Terms of Service. You may not obtain the communications protocol for accessing the AIM service, the AIM Products, or any other AOL services. Finally, you may not authorize or assist any third party to do any of the things described in this paragraph. You understand that AOL's introduction of various technologies may not be consistent across all platforms and that the performance and features offered by AOL may vary depending on your computer and other equipment. Restrictions on Access to or Use of AIM Products You may access AIM Products only through the interfaces and protocols provided or authorized by AOL. You agree that you will not access AIM Products through unauthorized means, such as unlicensed software clients, and that you will only use AIM Products in conjunction with AOL authorized products and components. Software We or our suppliers may provide you with software to use with the Services (“Software”). Such Software will be subject to the terms of the license agreement that accompanies the Software. If there is no license agreement presented to you with the Software, then we and our suppliers grant you a personal, non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited license to install the Software on any single computer or device from which you wish to access and use the Services. Such Software is protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties and owned by us or our suppliers. You may not sell or redistribute the Software. You may not incorporate it or any portion of it into another product. You may not reverse engineer, decompile or disassemble the Software or otherwise attempt to derive the source code (except where expressly permitted by law). You may not modify, adapt or create derivative works from the Software in any way or remove proprietary notices in the Software. You may access the Services only through the software, interfaces and protocols provided or authorized by us. You agree to abide by all laws and regulations in effect regarding your use of the Software and the Services. Finally, you may not authorize or assist any third party to do any of the things prohibited in this paragraph. We may automatically check your version of the Software. We may automatically update the Software on your computer to improve the performance and capabilities of the Software. If you shut down the Software during an automatic update or otherwise interfere with the installation of the update, the Software may be damaged and/or cease to operate. Your license will end on the date your applicable Service ends. Your license will also end if we modify the Service in a way that no longer supports the Software. We may disable the Software after the date the Service ends. The Software is a "commercial item," as that term is defined in 48 C.F.R. 2.101, consisting of "commercial computer software" and "commercial computer software documentation," as such terms are used in 48 C.F.R. 12.212 (Sept. 1995). Consistent with 48 C.F.R. 12.212 and 48 C.F.R. 27.405(b)(2) (June 1998) and 48 C.F.R. 227.7202, all U.S. Government end users acquire the Software with only those rights as set forth herein. |
73
ke4nt
Posted by Your Fuzzy God on Sep. 17 2005,04:15
friedgold: Yeah, I am just as confused as you. It says you can re-license your new package with the GPL if you wish; however, I think the LGPL is more restrictive (generally speaking) because of this line, "We call this license the 'Lesser' General Public License because it does Less to protect the user's freedom than the ordinary General Public License." I have not, and probably never will, read through both licenses and compare/contrast them. You may be absolutely correct.Also, you are both totally correct on the gtk issue. It is, in fact, the gtk elements that are distributed under the LGPL. I misread. I ass/u/me(d) that was their license because it was the only reference to a license that I ever saw when I downloaded and installed the software. Now that I see their real license, I see how moronic it is. It makes no sense. "You may not ... attempt to discover any source code in the Software," yet they include it in their package!!! WTF!
Anyway, I think it is best that I not get the great folks at damnsmall involved in this. Their time is much better spent NOT worrying about corporate greed and ignorance. I will do as their license says. Since there was no license with the software I received directly from AOL, I shall put my own (and only) copy on "the single computer or device from which I plan to access and use the Services." It is not my fault if that computer or device happens to be a server with a shared directory. It is up to all of you not to download my file.
On a totally different and unrelated note not concerning the above what so ever, it’s the weekend and I plan not to touch a computer for the next two days. So if you are waiting something from me (such as a link of some sort, or a project I may or may not be working on) then you will have to wait until at least Monday.
Please don’t yell,
-Fuzzy (but not The Fuzzy)
Posted by ke4nt1 on Sep. 17 2005,04:49
No problem...Tnx for the effort..
It is easy to download, and it runs well in DSL.
Perhaps a link for everyone to go get the good stuff ?
< http://www.aim.com/get_aim/linux/latest_linux.adp?aolp= >
73
ke4nt
Posted by Your Fuzzy God on Sep. 19 2005,16:00
Instead of uploading the file I think it is better to show people some of what I have learned playing with .dsl files. I was writing out a simple howto along with basics on what a .dsl file is and how it works, but I accidentally closed flwriter and now everything is gone. So, once the vein in my head subsides I shall start over. Also, instead of posting the howto here, I think it will go under DSL tips and tricks under the name "dsl extension basics."
Posted by ke4nt1 on Sep. 19 2005,16:28
AAAH!! I hate when that happens....
Awaiting your howto.
73
ke4nt
Posted by doobit on Sep. 20 2005,00:19
I would love it to support MSN...I know, I know, but that's what my family uses...
Posted by Your Fuzzy God on Sep. 20 2005,14:11
I will take a look and see what M$N has in the way of messenger software for Linux and see what I can do about getting it working with DSL. If they have Linux software, I will try and make a .dsl extension and write something up on it, but seeing as how I am fairly new at this, I can't promise anything.
Posted by doobit on Sep. 20 2005,14:43
M$N messanger is not available for Linux, but the latest version of GAIM ssupports it.Ummm...nevermind. I figured out how to load the latest GTK2 for dsl and the GTK2 version of GAIM. It's working pretty well. Now if I could only figure out how to get the wmweather+2.9 configured...
Posted by AwPhuch on Sep. 20 2005,17:45
How hard would it be to build GAIM into a .uci extension??Older laptops have a hard time getting the GTK2 and then GAIM DSL (well mine does anyway)
Brian
AwPhuch
Posted by Your Fuzzy God on Sep. 21 2005,15:33
doobit: Try my amsn.dsl out. < Try it! > Let me know if you have any problems with it. I plan on releasing it after I get everything worked out. Also, just to let you know, this installs parts of tcltk to be able to run.Right now, most of the actual amsn application files are going into the /home/dsl/.msn-0_94 directory. I think I should change this; it seems silly to keep them there. I linked from /usr/bin so that you can still run through the command prompt by typing amsn, but I don't know if I should keep things where they are?
--EDIT--
I just noticed that amsn is already in the UCI section of the dsl repository!
Good Luck,
Posted by doobit on Sep. 22 2005,18:26
Thanks Fuzzy. I'll give it a try!
Posted by doobit on Sep. 27 2005,16:31
OK, Fuzzy I gave it a shot, but, though I was able to open it as root in terminal, it said it needed to download something from the developer's site to work. Also would not install in MyDSL, it only would open in the terminal. I'm having some trouble with the MyDSL menu anyway, so it may be my problem and I need to reinstall DSL and do it more carefully.