DSL Concept - i686, 2.6 kernel, base apps
Forum: DSL Ideas and Suggestions
Topic: DSL Concept - i686, 2.6 kernel, base apps
started by: sml
Posted by sml on Jan. 06 2006,12:20
What does everyone think about the above concept DSL. That is ...- i686 optimised
- 2.6 kernel
- only minimum base install to boot to a command prompt. Then users can add in packages as required.
- increased size limit from 50Mb to say 128Mb if required. (RAM is very cheap these days.)
Posted by mikshaw on Jan. 06 2006,16:58
I would go for that only if it were LESS than 50mb. I can already make a textmode remaster in under 30mb (including a few software upgrades and additions). There's nothing in the 2.6 kernel that justifies that sort of increased size while still removing the gui apps, in my opinion.
Posted by Grim on Jan. 09 2006,06:55
IIRC, the tiny Xservers that are included with DSL won't work with the 2.6 kernel, ergo, DSL sticks with the 2.4.x series kernels.DSL is optimised to work with older hardware, I doubt standaradizing on i686 will bring any benefit to the distros targeted base.
The Debian netinst CD iso's already do a mimimum base install and boot to a command prompt. Why make DSL do something that stock, vanilla Debian already does pretty well?
DSL will never go over 50MB. At least I hope not. Personally, I wish tomsrtbt was still in development.
Posted by frankseu on Jan. 09 2006,10:59
Hello,i also hope that it vill NEVER go over 50MB.
But as i posted some month ago :
INSERT did a 50MB 2.6.11.6 based on Knoppix 3.9
Here is the Link :
< http://www.inside-security.de/insert_en.html >
here are the Features :
full read-write support for NTFS-partitions using captive
support for various file system types: EXT2,EXT3,MINIX,REISERFS,JFS,XFS,NTFS,FAT,MSDOS,NFS,SMBFS,CIFS,NCPFS,UDF,AFS,EFS,HFS,HFS+,
HPFS,SHFS,UFS,UNIONFS
support for linux software RAID and LVM2
support for WLAN adapters
network analysis (e.g. nmap, tcpdump)
disaster recovery (e.g. parted, gpart, partimage, testdisk, recover)
virus scanning (Clam Antivirus)
computer forensics (e.g. chkrootkit, foremost, rootkit hunter)
surf the internet (e.g. the web browser dillo [enhanced version], the graphical FTP client gFTP)
network boot server to boot network boot enabled clients that cannot boot from the CD (insert-remote)
installation on a USB memory stick (usb-install)
based on Linux kernel 2.6.11.6 and Knoppix 3.9
Frank
Posted by doobit on Jan. 09 2006,14:53
| Quote (frankseu @ Jan. 09 2006,05:59) |
| Hello, i also hope that it vill NEVER go over 50MB. But as i posted some month ago : INSERT did a 50MB 2.6.11.6 based on Knoppix 3.9 Here is the Link : |
Very nice distro for what it was designed for, but you are missing the point.
If you want something that does that, then use that. If you want something that does this, then use this. DSL is designed to do what it does, if you make it something else, then it is no longer what it is.
There is another distro out there that will already do what you are asking - Linux From Scratch.
< http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ >
Posted by frankseu on Jan. 11 2006,10:24
Hello,please do not missunderstand my postage.
I like DSL an it is that what i/we want and what i use.
It was just the point that 2.6 is possible in any kind with a size at 50MB.
Also sometimes it might help to look what others are doing to bring the own projekt forward or to get fresh ideas.
Frank
Posted by sml on Jan. 11 2006,11:38
I found the SLAX distro which may be a better fit for me.So far with my testing, DSL is far quicker and more responsive but there are some nice full apps with SLAX and the video performance is much better.
Posted by Ivan-NL on Jan. 12 2006,13:30
@frankseu: while being a nice package, that 50mb one is a custom built rescuedisk / forensic tool, not a full system like DSL tries to provide.There certainly is a need for that kind of functionality as you can try to modifiy it into a standalone system-on-a-stick if you have a 512MB USB stick to make it 100% legally safe.
Posted by frankseu on Jan. 12 2006,15:19
| Quote (Ivan-NL @ Jan. 12 2006,08:30) |
| @frankseu: while being a nice package, that 50mb one is a custom built rescuedisk / forensic tool, not a full system like DSL tries to provide.. |
I know what it is and what DSL is and what the intension of DSL is. That's not the point i meant.
What is wrong with looking what others are doing and then decide if you can pick up ideas or not.
In case yes -> fine.
In case not -> fine.
I am still dreaming of a DSL with more base support of different filesystems, more hardware support usw.
Again :
I never said xyz is better then DSL ore something like that. I yust said that there are others wich do also nice stuff.
Let us watch them.
I know what DSL does for me and other distris don't. I also know what others can and DSL not.
I choosed DSL. But i am still dreaming about having the best from all not knowing to do it myselve.
What is wrong with dreaming ?
I am totaly happy with the work of the devs and thank them for the great DSL.
Frank