Cut down on programs.
Forum: DSL Ideas and Suggestions
Topic: Cut down on programs.
started by: Heronemus
Posted by Heronemus on Jan. 31 2006,20:01
I think you guys could save a lot of room if you cut down on redundant programs. I mean, 2 web browsers?, 3 text editors? Doesn't this detract from DSL's goal of compactness? And if the user doesn't like the current programs, he/she could simply use myDSL or Synaptic, no prob. Also, I think there should be some easier way to install DSL.P.S., I'm sorry if I sound rude. I have no social life, none.
Posted by peczenyj on Jan. 31 2006,21:53
HiIn my opinion... monkey, dillo, emelfm, xzvg, xpdf, Beaver, tcc, FL Writer and Siag will be moving to /dev/null imediatly
XV, Xine, Rox, Scite and gv and only one script programming language (perl, ruby, lua, tcl/tk... i can be choose...) is the best option. Lout and Gnuplot can substitute the office package (awk is the best !!!).
We have TED, Abiword, Lyx... we dont need Siag Office... or need ?
Posted by _pathos on Feb. 01 2006,08:41
you want at least one gui editor and a tui editor. I think nano is the redundant one but thats only a couple of kilobytes.as for 2 browsers that needs to stay, DSL is run on a lot of machines that can only handle dillo.
Siag is unusably buggy from my experiences, crashes every 5 minutes.
I agree that tcc should go, if you're gonna program C you're want gcc. I would love beaver to be replaced by scite or even better nedit.
Emelfm scared me the first time I used DSL, its too much information at once for a noob and nowadays I only use aterm. I reckon replace it with something simpler for people not used to linux.
I think the most redundant feature is JVM, why add another window manager? fluxbox is very nice. I mourn the loss of slit.
Posted by mikshaw on Feb. 01 2006,14:37
The slit is still there...where do you think the new mixer and mounter are loaded? No need to mourn. The dockapps are not there, but being mostly single-file applications with very few dependencies they are easy to add to DSL.I don't think DSL was ever intended to be noob-friendly. When you consider that there is practically no documentation included (most distros include a huge pile of man, html and info pages), a new linux user would have to look outside of the distro for help with practically everything. In addition to that, most applications that are intended to be "inuitive" for those accustomed to windows/mac are much too large to be included in a 50mb distro. The increasing number of gui configuration tools definitely helps, but I think there will always be hills that transitional users will have to climb.
Posted by joer on Feb. 01 2006,18:34
[QUOTE]I think the most redundant feature is JVM, why add another window manager?[QUOTE]Because fluxbox and kdrive together produce a memory leak!
I use jwm so I can keep it up. My computer that is.
Posted by _pathos on Feb. 02 2006,06:03
but DSL is a liveCD, it should be aiming to put as much functionality into the 50mg as possible.jwm would be perfect as a single DSL extension but not as a standard component.
In my mind jwm is not part of the original goal of DSL and will hamper the developement of DSL by increasing the workload and wasting space.
Posted by MakodFilu on Feb. 02 2006,17:19
Actually I think it is fluxbox what is "not part of the original goal of DSL". You see? We all have an opinion In my Debian box I use pekwm, that has tabbed windows, is pretty configurable, small enough, friendly enough and can be as gorgeous or spartan as you please.
But jwm is a pretty Damn Small Piece Of Code ™ and I like the toy. More than fluxbox.
Posted by _pathos on Feb. 05 2006,07:06
I have no problem replacing fluxbox with jvm if thats whats going to happen. Focussing on making one window manager as good as possible is far better than having two and having to make concessions for each.
I wouldn't mind having to download fluxbox as a mydsl extension as long as it worked like normal.