Make it easier


Forum: DSL Ideas and Suggestions
Topic: Make it easier
started by: Moldy

Posted by Moldy on Jan. 26 2007,23:08
I have read so many posts wikis and tutorials for installing DSL it is all too confusing to someone who doesnt have advanced computer experience.  it is so frusterating going through a tutorial and it gives some vague instructions on something I have never done before. for example in one tutorial it says to download DSL and burn a boot disc So i do it  following the instructions as closely as possible and then guess what the CD doesnt work and I have no idea what I did wrong and dont know where to find the answers.

My suggestion is to have someone generous and compassionate to take the time to make a step by step explanation that could be followed by a newb like me. if it says to burn the disc being able to click a link and see intructions on just how to do that would be awesome!

Posted by MakodFilu on Jan. 27 2007,13:06
Chances are:

a) You created a data CD with the .iso as one of the files to place in, so you access your newly created CD and see the .iso file there. That is wrong.

b) Some arcane switch in your preferred CD burning application is screwing your DSL boot CD.

As there is no way to tell what program and version are you using to burn your CD or even if you tell chances are no one here uses that, your best bet in both cases is consulting the documentation and help files of your CD burning app.

An alternate way is looking at something like < http://www.petri.co.il/how_to_write_iso_files_to_cd.htm >

Posted by ^thehatsrule^ on Jan. 27 2007,18:21
Or see the wiki: < http://damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/Burning_a_Bootable_CD >
Posted by lucky13 on Feb. 03 2007,15:46
Quote (Moldy @ Jan. 26 2007,18:08)
My suggestion is to have someone generous and compassionate to take the time to make a step by step explanation that could be followed by a newb like me. if it says to burn the disc being able to click a link and see intructions on just how to do that would be awesome!

This presumes your computer can boot from CD. If not, you'll have to make a boot floppy using the boot floppy image.

1. Install a utility on your Windows computer like those that have been recommended in the wiki. I prefer this one so it's used in my example of how to get a working CD of DSL. ISOrecorder will give your right-click menu in WinXP an option to burn an ISO.
< http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm >

2. Download the DSL ISO you want from one of the mirrors. The "current" directory will give you the latest releases. Read the documentation to make sure you get the right version (isolinux for relatively newer hardware, syslinux for much older hardware) for your system.  
< http://damnsmalllinux.org/download.html >

3. Pop a blank CD-R into your CD drive. Windows will ask what you want to do; exit that dialog box or click "do nothing."

4. If you downloaded to a folder, open Windows Explorer to the folder where you downloaded the ISO. If you downloaded to your desktop, you should have an ISO icon with the name of the file beneath it. Right-click on the ISO image. Scroll to "Copy Image to CD."

5. A dialog box for ISOrecorder will pop up. Click next or finish if everything is right (ISO location, CD drive, etc.).

6. It will start burning the ISO to the CD. Since DSL is 50 MB, it won't take very long. Your bootable CD should eject when it's ready.

7. Remove it if you have other things to  do in Windows. Or leave it in, go to "start" and shutdown Windows. Click the "restart" with the CD in the CD drive and it will reboot into DSL.

8. Read the DSL cheatcodes when the boot logo comes on (F2). Use any that apply to your computer or just accept the defaults, which should work for most computers.

9. Go through the x-setup scripts. You need to know ahead of time if your mouse is USB or ps2 and what your screen resolution is and your keyboard layout. When finished, X will start along with fluxbox window manager. Read the information that opens in the Dillo browser. Your fluxbox menu is a right-click on an empty space on the screen.

10. You'll probably have a screwy-looking screen if you mess up your x-setup with too high resolution. If that happens, hit ctrl-alt-backspace and it will exit X and take you to a console prompt. Type xsetup.sh and go through the setup again using lower resolution.

Let me know if this is more helpful. If this is still too techy, consider ordering a CD from the site:

< http://damnsmalllinux.org/cd.html >

Posted by forkart on Feb. 19 2007,16:14
You can also read magiciso tutorials to learn how to create bootable cd.
< http://www.magiciso.com/tutorials/miso-create-unattended-winxp.htm >
< http://www.magiciso.com/tutorials/miso-create-multi-os-cd.htm >

Posted by Genecks on Feb. 20 2007,04:33
Damn Small Linux is mediocre when using a live-cd. I like it's Qemu option, and it boots well from a desktop computer. With that being said, sure Linux sucks when you go beyond the basic computer necessities. You have to debug stuff and make new code, and that's just where Windows becomes the better option. Regardless, Linux gets a person through the day.

I suggest a person uses Linux if he or she wants to advance at computer science. Otherwise, it's not really adequate for the user whom wants to browse and that's it.

Posted by lucky13 on Feb. 20 2007,15:54
Quote (Genecks @ Feb. 19 2007,23:33)
Damn Small Linux is mediocre when using a live-cd. I like it's Qemu option, and it boots well from a desktop computer.


I strongly disagree. The live CD has its uses. It's fantastic for restoring Windows so it'll boot properly, for recovering and archiving data from a Windows partition, for temporarily using someone else's Window computer without leaving a trace on the hard drive or in its tempermental and problem-plagued registry.

While the last option I mentioned works from USB (either bootable or using QEMU), not every computer can use DSL on USB. In my experience, QEMU is much slower than running DSL off the CD. I don't have much of a need to run two operating systems simultaneously so I'd rather run the DSL CD loaded toram if there's enough memory.

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With that being said, sure Linux sucks when you go beyond the basic computer necessities.


I strongly disagree. And that's without considering what you might consider "the basic computer necessities." I'm sure we'd disagree about the "necessities" as well.

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You have to debug stuff


You don't have to do it in Linux, and sometimes it's very necessary to debug in Windows. Did I mention the registry?

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and make new code,


Please share. What was the last "new code" you "made"?

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and that's just where Windows becomes the better option.


Are you suggesting Windows is maintenance-free? That's a good one. I'll remember that next time I'm running regedit, upgrading the firewall and antivirus and antispyware programs, etc.

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Regardless, Linux gets a person through the day.


Actually, Linux gets people through the months. That's why more servers run Linux than Windows. How long can you leave a Windows server running continuously without rebooting it? The same holds true for desktops. Oh well, it keeps Geek Squad in business...

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I suggest a person uses Linux if he or she wants to advance at computer science. Otherwise, it's not really adequate for the user whom wants to browse and that's it.


Linux is actually more than adequate for someone who (subjective case) wants to browse, edit reports, work on spreadsheets, or anything else. It's also a lot safer than browsing with Windows, especially if you use its native malware magnets like IE and Outlook. Did I mention the registry?

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