Super Grub


Forum: DSL Ideas and Suggestions
Topic: Super Grub
started by: the Missing M

Posted by the Missing M on Mar. 25 2007,17:20
I probably should wait until I've got a Linux system to mess with, before mentioning any software or supporting tools to aid dual or multiple booting options.  This is not an endorsement.  So far I've had no luck mounting .ISO or .IMG disk images in Windows or MacOS 9, let alone copying the contents to disk, so any informed opinions from me will have to wait.  In the meantime, you're quite welcome to check it out for yourself.

The following is not intended to replace Grub or Lilo, but might be useful in recovering a damaged or *cough* overwritten *cough* MBR, and restoring Grub and/or Lilo and/or Windows and/or all of the above to a usable state.

< http://supergrub.forjamari.linex.org/ >

Whether I need it or not, I will make sure to try this thing out as soon as possible, then get back to you.


Patrick.

Posted by ^thehatsrule^ on Mar. 25 2007,18:20
Windows has command-line tools for those images... though more popular tools are daemon-tools, alcohol, winimage... among many others.  Not sure about os9 as I've only used it as a 'regular' user (you probably could use the mount command, since i think it's based off bsd though).

It looks like this project is just to restore a bootloader?  (maybe it tries to detect menu.lst's?)
but DSL has grub and lilo in the base if you ever needed to re-install a bootloader.

(Not to discourage you, but what does this have to do with DSL's Ideas/suggestions?)

Posted by lucky13 on Mar. 25 2007,18:31
Quote (the Missing M @ Mar. 25 2007,12:20)
So far I've had no luck mounting .ISO or .IMG disk images in Windows or MacOS 9, let alone copying the contents to disk...

What have you done that hasn't worked? And what do you mean by mounting ISOs? Do you mean burning them to CD? It's easy once you understand that an ISO is an entire disk image rather than a file, so copying the ISO file doesn't put the image on the CD (or DVD or floppy). See the fourth post down (mine) in this thread if you need step-by-step using one of the easier Windows programs for burning images.
< http://damnsmalllinux.org/cgi-bin....77;st=0 >
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The following is not intended to replace Grub or Lilo, but might be useful in recovering a damaged or *cough* overwritten *cough* MBR, and restoring Grub and/or Lilo and/or Windows and/or all of the above to a usable state.

You can pretty much do the same thing with a live Linux CD (like DSL), at least with respect to fixing your MBR, installing GRUB or LILO, etc. Some live CDs are centered around fixing system-related issues (Knoppix is super for < Win recovery >, especially versions with captive NTFS -- I don't know if all versions have it, but I know 3.7 does) and have more tools for this kind of thing.

See rip linux, www.sysresccd.org, etc.
See also the following for a nice tutorial on using Knoppix (a lot of it applies to using DSL as well) for recovering from Win crashes:
< http://www.shockfamily.net/cedric/knoppix/ >

You can also set up DSL to do this with various extensions from the repository (reiserfsprogs, parted, etc.). I have DSL on a USB thumbdrive especially set up for system recovery.

Posted by the Missing M on Mar. 25 2007,18:42
Quote (^thehatsrule^ @ Mar. 25 2007,06:20)
(Not to discourage you, but what does this have to do with DSL's Ideas/suggestions?)

Umm... I couldn't figure out where else to put it?

I had noticed a few boot-floppy images in the ./current/ directory, separate from the main 50 MB ISO, and figured okay, this might be useful to somebody.


Patrick.

Posted by ^thehatsrule^ on Mar. 25 2007,19:53
Oh.. I would've guessed "Non-DSL Topics" probably under "Linux and Free Software"

There used to be a grub boot floppy floating around here though.

Posted by the Missing M on Mar. 27 2007,05:10
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Oh.. I would've guessed "Non-DSL Topics" probably under "Linux and Free Software"

Roger that, over.  Thanks.

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There used to be a grub boot floppy floating around here though.

Yeah.  < Several boot-floppies >, actually, to cover several possible obstacles to booting from CD or USB stick.


Patrick.

Posted by the Missing M on Mar. 27 2007,05:11
Quote (lucky13 @ Mar. 25 2007,06:31)
Quote (the Missing M @ Mar. 25 2007,12:20)
So far I've had no luck mounting .ISO or .IMG disk images in Windows or MacOS 9, let alone copying the contents to disk...

What have you done that hasn't worked? And what do you mean by mounting ISOs? Do you mean burning them to CD? It's easy once you understand that an ISO is an entire disk image rather than a file, so copying the ISO file doesn't put the image on the CD (or DVD or floppy).

Yeah, basically a mini-filesystem written out as one long file; an image of a disk, exactly as the name implies.

I guess the simplest way to make a disk image would be to read the entire contents of a disk, sector by sector, and write that to a file.  Probably the least efficient for disk space/bandwidth though, because it would read old data from the free blocks, too.
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See the fourth post down (mine) in this thread if you need step-by-step using one of the easier Windows programs for burning images.
< http://damnsmalllinux.org/cgi-bin....77;st=0 >


Thanks, ISO Recorder worked out pretty well.  Interestingly enough, the system still doesn't seem to recognize an .ISO file as anthing in particular.  But it shows up as a right-click menu item, and that's the main thing.


Patrick.

Posted by ^thehatsrule^ on Mar. 27 2007,05:46
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Thanks, ISO Recorder worked out pretty well.  Interestingly enough, the system still doesn't seem to recognize an .ISO file as anthing in particular.  But it shows up as a right-click menu item, and that's the main thing.
If it's a regular app (that accepts files as a parameter), you can choose the default app with rightclick icon > "Open with..." then check off "Always use[...]" or by explorer > tools > folder options > file types ... etc.

Posted by the Missing M on Mar. 27 2007,07:11
Quote (^thehatsrule^ @ Mar. 26 2007,17:46)
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Thanks, ISO Recorder worked out pretty well.  Interestingly enough, the system still doesn't seem to recognize an .ISO file as anthing in particular.  But it shows up as a right-click menu item, and that's the main thing.
If it's a regular app (that accepts files as a parameter), you can choose the default app with rightclick icon > "Open with..." then check off "Always use[...]" or by explorer > tools > folder options > file types ... etc.

Sorry, my mistake; shows up as a right-click menu item, *and* burns ISOs to CD.

ISO Recodrder's a system-level wizard kind of thing, not an app, so the ISO itself doesn't really need an icon, or a default application to open it.


Patrick.

Posted by lucky13 on Mar. 27 2007,11:29
Quote (the Missing M @ Mar. 27 2007,00:11)
...ISO Recorder worked out pretty well.  Interestingly enough, the system still doesn't seem to recognize an .ISO file as anthing in particular.  But it shows up as a right-click menu item, and that's the main thing.

What version of Windows are you using? Is this the ME thing you said you just picked up? In XP, ISOs show up with their own icon, etc. XP just doesn't have a native application for burning them. I haven't looked (haven't had to boot Windows in a few weeks) to see if there are any new options for burning in the fancy new Windows Media Player, but I would be very surprised if there was anything for burning images.
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ISO Recodrder's a system-level wizard kind of thing, not an app, so the ISO itself doesn't really need an icon, or a default application to open it.

You can still set ISO Recorder to launch when clicking on an icon. Right clicking is easy enough, though, and it's probably the easiest app for burning ISOs (in Windows anyway) I've come across. That said, I haven't tried setting up any CUEs and seeing if or how well it burns them.

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