Move all apps to MyDSL


Forum: DSL Ideas and Suggestions
Topic: Move all apps to MyDSL
started by: fluppet

Posted by fluppet on June 23 2007,10:30
I think it would be better to move everything apart from the base system (and tools for getting an internet connection, and the MyDSL browser) to MyDSL.

This way people could choose to have only the apps that they want installed. This way the base system could be even smaller, which is always good. People using the toram frugal install wouldn't be loading unnecessary apps every time they boot. I think it also seems more logical than the current situation where some apps are included in the OS download while others are in MyDSL.

At the moment there are two browsers and seveal text editors, etc. included. These are included because some people will want to use Dillo while others will want Firefox, but I know I am only going to use one of each, so with my suggestion I could just download the ones I want and end up with a more efficient system.

Thanks for making such a great OS :)

Posted by curaga on June 23 2007,11:21
That's been considered, but there are folks without a net connection. They could do nothing on DSL with only internet tools :(
Posted by lucky13 on June 23 2007,14:00
fluppet, you can always remaster with just the apps you want. There are several step-by-step remastering guides available online (use Google) as well as here in the forums. For now, that's probably your best option.
Posted by fluppet on June 23 2007,18:07
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They could do nothing on DSL with only internet tools :(

But they could download the apps they want at the same time they are downloading DSL and put them on the CD, or wherever they are booting from...

A 'default' package of MyDSL apps (containing all of the current ones) could also be available to download for those who don't know what to choose.

Thanks for the suggestion lucky13. I was just really thinking about it as what seemed like a good idea for DSL rather than something I was very concerned about for my own installation.

Posted by mikshaw on June 23 2007,19:50
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But they could download the apps they want at the same time they are downloading DSL
As Curaga said, some people don't have a net connection. Others might be on a very limited dialup. These people might opt for mail-order DSL, or have gotten it from a friend.

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A 'default' package of MyDSL apps (containing all of the current ones) could also be available to download for those who don't know what to choose.
It has been suggested before to do something similar to this, specifically to separate the non-essential applications into one or more extensions while still providing those extensions as part of the ISO and installed by default. A user who wanted to remove them could easily do so with a MyDSL CD remaster (mkmydsl) without the need to modify KNOPPIX. I kinda like this idea myself.

However, I'm guessing there are a few possible reasons why this will probably not happen:
1. Robert has his hands full with existing plans for both DSL and DSL-N.
2. It is not a high priority, since DSL is already a tiny distro.
3. It is not a desirable option, since DSL is already a tiny distro.

Posted by lucky13 on June 24 2007,15:18
I raised the issue of default modularity when Robert posted the poll to gauge where the community were with respect to DSL's future (kernel version/upgrade, application upgrades, etc.). His response was that DSL had to be fully usable as a live CD.

Without getting into detail and thereby risking betrayal of confidences, I've continued to labor behind the scenes on a way to kill both birds (increased modularity and full usability as a live CD) with one stone. I'm convinced it can be done well. I don't know if it's the direction DSL wants to take, or, if it is the direction, if it's the right path/execution of it. Right now I have major time commitments with family and work, and my DSL priority is doing what I can to help Robert with 4.0.

Posted by lucky13 on June 24 2007,15:30
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Thanks for the suggestion lucky13. I was just really thinking about it as what seemed like a good idea...

It's one that's been expressed before. I deleted the page I posted at the time (poll) I made a big deal of modularizing DSL further. I can repost it if you're curious (still have local copy, deleted only from host) to see what I proposed. I removed it because some of the things I'd written (in later edits) were things I ended up working on behind the scenes and I didn't want to betray any confidences.

I agree with you in principle, but I respect Robert's and John's insistence that DSL be fully usable as a live CD. I think there's a way to accomplish both increased modularity AND keeping the live CD as usable/useful as it already is (if not more so).

Posted by fluppet on June 24 2007,21:28
Hi again lucky13,
    Thanks for the effort you are putting in. Don't worry about digging-up your old post - I'll just sit tight and wait to see what the future brings :) I should have done a search to see if the view had been expressed before.

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