http://www.tiddlywiki.com/

Forum: DSL Ideas and Suggestions
Topic: http://www.tiddlywiki.com/
started by: bobdog

Posted by bobdog on June 21 2005,21:08

Why not include < TiddlyWiki > or some version of it in the distribution? Its features are such that it is a very handy documentation tool, allowing editing and saving of HTML pages within FireFox using Javascript. Combined with the W3C's Slidy code and some styling generator like the one at < StrangeBanana > make it an excellent addition to anyone's toolset - PIM, planning, project management to mention a few possible uses. The search feature of TiddlyWiki made it appeal to me straight away.

I hear there are versions of TiddlyWiki that can compress or encrypt their content. Perhaps a version of the code could be used to store any documentation within the DSL distribution. A single instance of the main code (or some adaptation of it) should be enough to permit web pages to refer to it and make use of that code's functions.

There may be some big potential here.

Posted by green on June 21 2005,21:28

How much space would it take up in the 50Mb limit of this distribution?
Could it be made into an extension?

Posted by DeeJay on June 22 2005,07:37

Quote (green @ June 21 2005,17:28)

"How much space would it take up in the 50Mb limit of this distribution?
Could it be made into an extension?"

A quick look at the URL given would show that TiddlyWiki is simply an HTML file containing some JavaScript. A tiddlywiki with no content is 105KB at the current release. Packaging it as an extension seems a complicated way of distributing a single file!

Posted by AwPhuch on June 22 2005,18:19

Since its HTML/text and java after comression it would be incredibly tiny!

Brian
AwPhuch

Posted by green on June 22 2005,18:32

maybe a .uci would be in order.

Posted by struppi on June 22 2005,22:35

just put in on your usb-drive or whatever and use the template.

it would be cool to build a tiddlyWiki containing the whole dsl-documentation ...

Posted by Toni Eisner on June 25 2005,22:02

Sorry, but i don*'t get it. These Javascripts are lousy slow on "not so full blown" browser's like Epiphany, Galeon, etc.

Why are normal HTML pages not good enough for the DSL documentation?
rgds
Toni Eisner

Posted by bobdog on June 25 2005,22:55

Using some versions of those scripts, like, for example the adaptation where table columns can be sorted in situ might be a reason (http://homes.jcu.edu.au/~ccscb/#SortableGrid).

If a little more functionality were added to the code, it could be possible to cut down the disk space dedicated to documentation storage, shrinking the distro further. The added functionality would be the ability do include variables as inline text (or other content), rather than only as whole entries as is the case with TiddlyWiki now.

Even now, however, wiki page versions of content have smaller sizes than HTML equivalents, which only need to be parsed as HTML when rendered by the browser.

With this in mind, perhaps it would be possible to use a proxy script (in Python, for example), through which 'less vigorous' browsers could simply receive less dynamic HTML versions (CSS-less permalinks) of the output? The larger the amount of documentation used, the more relevant this would become.

Posted by monkymind on July 21 2005,00:55

TiddlyWiki is heading in some interesting directions, including StyleSheets, Macros and Categories etc.

Someone has even modified it to look like WordPress:
< http://15black.bluedepot.com/kubricktiddly.html >

Not bad for a html, css and javascript page that can be stored almost anywhere :cool:

cheers
rob

Posted by yyyc514 on Sep. 02 2005,15:26

Also have a look at < http://www.serversidewiki.com/... > Persistent TiddlyWiki storage online... and it includes SortableGrid that someone mentioned earlier.