UBCD and DSL together

Forum: DSL Ideas and Suggestions
Topic: UBCD and DSL together
started by: cmatt77

Posted by cmatt77 on April 11 2004,03:48

Hello, I am writing on behalf of our group at www.ultimatebootcd.com Over at < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ultimatebootcd > we are discussing enhancements. With 55 utilities on one ISO (a 45mb torrent d/load) we really need a multimedia help docs viewer... Someone suggeted adding a browser, I suggested a Arachne/Bart combo, but the group wants to stay away from any M$ content. Thats fine, so the idea now is to use a Links/BasicLinux combo... Here is my question:

UBCD still lacks good emergency web/ftp/samba access and the ability to write to NTF$ volumes - wouldn't it be better to swap BasicLinux/Links for for an "empty-as-possible" version of DSL? Are there other GUI options smaller and/or better?

Apps to reduce would be:
- Glinks or Dillo (which adheres to more web standards?)
- Scite, Zile, Paint, Xcalc, ABS
- Naim, Links,SQlite, PIM, Netdir, gphone
- All games

BTW, the ultimate goal is to not only do this, but also to combine the results on a free BizCard with less than 20 Open-source, "best-of-breed" utilities already found on UBCD. (Now that will really be some CD for a techs wallet!) - Cliff
We can call it DSBC (Damn Small Boot CD)

Posted by BillH on April 11 2004,11:55

Quote (cmatt77 @ April 11 2004,12:48)

wouldn't it be better to swap BasicLinux/Links for for an "empty-as-possible" version of DSL?

Wouldn't it be EVEN BETTER to ask if you can join John in developing a version IN PARALLEL with DSL? Like you said, a DS-UBCD.

I mean, if you just gut the apps out of DSL and reload it with your stuff (not a seriously tough job), you are just forking DSL and then you have all the development stuff on your hands (a seriously tough job). There has to be a better way than that.

Posted by hasty on April 11 2004,16:11

Take a look at the rescue version of Feather Linux if Rob has it still listed on his download page.
Its another fork of DSL.
< http://featherlinux.berlios.de > ...... it a bolshie server an not always accessable.

Posted by cmatt77 on April 11 2004,18:21

Hi again, sorry for not adding detail - I'll try:
UBCD is already a 106-meg ISO (compressed to 45-meg so MajorGeeks and Torrent volunteers save bandwidth). You may consider it an ISO of boot images, each of which, has it's own fame - unmodified, but carefully scripted and tested by Victor Chew to launch via CDShell. As he says "it's his hobby.." and the group members support him.

>Wouldn't it be EVEN BETTER to ask if you can join John in developing a version IN PARALLEL with DSL?

I misunderstand 'version' here. My thought is that a current stable DSL, slightly lightened, with a disclaimer to such is all that's warranted to keep things light with no continous developement required.

> Like you said, a DS-UBCD.

Sorry for exuberance, in my zeal to help, I get off-track or desviado.

> I mean, if you just gut the apps out of DSL and reload it with your stuff..

Our stuff on the DSL image? No, it's not our work, our stuff (tech help docs) would just be in a browsable folder on the container CD.

> you are just forking DSL..

No, I talk of a mod to an existing release. Again, that's the reason for this topic. If concensus here is viable, then sure, I will present it to Victor Chew (UBCD lead). It is not my part to ask John, I'm not at that level.

>There has to be a better way than that.

I haven't found it yet and Feather-Linux is 64meg. At present, UBCD includes a boot image with text only web access, but no PPPoE. Clearly, what's there is not in the same league as DSL and would scare many Win-techs to even try downloading missing driver's, etc..

IMHO, adding a DSL boot image to UBCD would be an eye-opener to many Win-tech's and further some Linux experience to otherwise closed minds..

Posted by TyphoonMentat on April 12 2004,19:04

A few points:
Firstly, Feather Linux is normally 64Mb, but the console-only rescue edition is only 50Mb.
Secondly, Feather isn't a fork of DSL - it's a project with similar motives and a similar size.

If the developer can't be picky, who can? :;):

Posted by roberts on April 12 2004,19:43

There are many small distros whose roots have come from DSL and some still come here everyday to learn more. All should recognize DSL but some don't. Some even remove all references to DSL and their orginal authors contributions.

Here is the latest list. < children and relatives of DSL >

For a security rescue toolkit you might want to look at INSERT

Posted by TyphoonMentat on April 12 2004,20:26

Hmm, Robert, resorting to subtle insults isn't exactly the best way to say something... Oh well, each to his own.

Posted by Dan on April 12 2004,23:03

I don't get it? I thought Feather was a fork? So many of the applications are the same. Even that tabbed and SSL version of Dillo is the same, and I can't find it anywhere else.

Posted by roberts on April 12 2004,23:40

Typhoon, Interesting response because I didn't single anyone out. What's the saying, "if the shoe fits..".

Posted by cmatt77 on April 13 2004,03:53

Hi, yes I have looked at Insert but most group members have been asking for DSL (due, maybe to superior hardware support?).
Many corporations use UB because Victor takes a serious view on Open Source and Free content. That's also why a lot of Bart's-Boot stuff never gets included since it has MS content. With the games off DSL it would likely get added, but we have none to help in this area (Any volunteers?).
Like I said earlier, UB doesn't seek to steal thunder from anyone, it's just a good group of launchable CD images on one CD that aspires to add some documentation and a way to reach out.
Tonight I have news - Victor Chew has decided to use FreeDOS and Arachne 1.73 as another boot image to add on the 2.3 release. (but AFAIK, Arachne has no PPPoE support).

Sadly, at this point UBCD will still not offer anyone NTFS write support. That's why I'm here listening in, I have much to learn.

By viewing how long you guys have been here, I consider it fun to also listen to the sibling rivalry - kind of like family eh?
- Cliff

P.S. I going to look close at 'Insert' as you suggested, thanks. I'll be back!

Posted by hasty on April 15 2004,08:46

Linux is like Ol'time religion, if you're not a believer, your damned. Check the slackware newsgroup

Did I say fork I meant axalotl........

Posted by cmatt77 on May 08 2004,15:38

UBCD is now at < http://ubcd.sourceforge.net >

Victor Chew is still project lead, but he has now
handed linux inclusions over to Scot.

From our last posting, it looks like Scot will use
a very slighly modified Feather Linux to submit
for inclusion on UBCD v2.3 (Feather omits the
games and has captive NTFS...)

Posted by AwPhuch on May 14 2004,21:08

Pitty that noone from DSL wanted to assist...

Would have been nice to see DSL and another great CD Utilities CD team up...

Brian
AwPhuch

Posted by cmatt77 on May 31 2004,00:18

UBCD 2.3 was just released, and now has 85 utilities on one bootable MiniCD. But for those that were interested in the original topic..
No, it does not have any Live Linux yet :-(
At the current rate, maybe we'll see something by August. Cheer's to all - here's the post:
-------------------

Ultimate Boot CD Ver 2.3 is finally ready for download!

Added "Drop to console" function for accessing CDShell commands directly. Stopped using F11 and F12 because they do not work on some machines.
It no longer seems to be possible to run the new version of BasicLinux (V3.2) from a single floppy disk. So we will continue to support the old V2.x version, but not update to the new version. Re-added older version of DocMem (V1.45a) because of complaint. Added CPUBurn V1.00. Updated MemTest86 to V3.1a. Updated TestDisk to V5.2. Updated RIP to V3.0. Updated F-Prot virus scanner to V3.14e. Updated F-Prot virus definition files to 23 May 2004.
Updated McAfee virus scanner to V4.32.0. Updated McAfee virus definition files to 26 May 2004. Updated PowerMax to V4.09. Updated SPFDisk to 2000-03q. Updated Darik's Boot and Nuke to V1.0.3. Updated Drive Fitness Test to V3.68. Updated IBM/Hitachi Feature Tool to V1.94. Updated AIDA16 to V2.14. AIDA16 was discontinued, so no change. Added some DOS utilities to the DOSAPPS directory.

List of DOS utilities:
3dbench - tool for testing older vga-cards on their 3d features bios - BIOS password finder, BIOS info display etc.
cdbench - cd-drive benchmark tool
cdcap - ata/scsi-drives features display tool
cdidenti - cd-media information tool
ctcache - displays cache/dram configs of mobo chipsets
ctram - ram-check utility

Added FIPS V2.0. Added GAG V4.3. Added DELCMOS to the DOSAPPS directory. Added NTFSDOS and CDROM access to File Maven and Dos Navigator. Added LFNTOOLS to DOSAPPS directory. Added PC INSPECTOR e-maxx V0.95 Build 775.
Added PC INSPECTOR clone maxx V0.95 Build 769. Added Disk Manager v9.56a. Added Diskman V4.0 Release 1b. Added BootPart V2.5. Added MAXLLF V1.1. Added Parallel Port Detection and Test Utilities V1.1. Added ASTRA V4.20. Added UniFlash V1.34. Added WIPECMOS V1.2 to DOSAPPS. Added CPUBENCH to DOSAPPS. Added Arachne WWW Browser V1.73. Added Intel Processor Frequency ID Utility v6.5.20040203.
Updated Seagate DiscWizard 2003 to V10.45.06. Updated g4u to Ver 1.15. Added Active@ Partition Recovery V2.1.1. Fixed a bug in fdauto.bat in fprot.img. Updated MemTest86+ to V1.15. Updated Fujitsu Diagnostic Tools to V6.20. Updated Hutil to V1.19. Updated Offline NT Password & Registry Editor to 040116. Updated NSSI to V0.58.1. Added Samsung Disk Manager V10. Fixed Western Digital's DLG Diagnostic V4.x and V5.x so that they will run on older machines.
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http://ubcd.sourceforge.net/

Posted by John on May 31 2004,20:44

Quote (AwPhuch @ May 14 2004,17:08)

Pitty that noone from DSL wanted to assist...

Would have been nice to see DSL and another great CD Utilities CD team up...

Brian
AwPhuch

Brian, maintaining and improving just one distribution is an enormous about of work. If people want to build from DSL and start their own project they are free to do so -- many have. We have to focus because both Robert and I have limited time.

Posted by cmatt77 on Nov. 26 2004,04:30

This one has been a long time waiting... :-)

UBCD ver 3.0 now has a custom INSERT Knoppix which supports other
modules which can be found at SourceForge.
- Firefox 0.8
- Nettools-1.0 (contains Snort 2.2.0, Ethereal 0.10.6, Firewall Builder 2.0.1)

In addition, it has 4 versions of small Linux
---------------------------------------------------------
Tom's Boot Disk 2.0.103
Recovery Is Possible (RIP) 3.1
BasicLinux 3.2
Trinux 0.89

And the typical myriad of other utilities..

Hard Disk Installation
--------------------------------
MaxBlast 3 (Maxtor) 3.6
DiscWizard 2003 (Seagate) 10.45.06
Disk Manager (Seagate) 9.56a
Disk Manager (Samsung) 10

Hard Disk Diagnosis
-----------------------------
Drive Fitness Test (IBM/Hitachi) 3.73
PowerMax (Maxtor/Quantum) 4.09
DLG Diagnostic (Western Digital) 4.15
DLG Diagnostic (Western Digital) 5.04c
Data Lifeguard (Western Digital) 11.0
SeaTools Desktop (Seagate) 1.06.02
SeaTools Desktop (Seagate) 3.00.07en
Diagnostic Tool (Fujitsu) 6.20
SHDIAG (Samsung) 1.25
HUTIL (Samsung) 1.19
GWSCAN (Gateway) 3.15
GWSCAN (Gateway) 5.09
Salvation HDD Scan and Repair 3.0

Hard Disk Device Management
------------------------------------------
Feature Tool (IBM/Hitachi) 1.94
AMSET (Maxtor) 4.00
MAXLLF (Maxtor) 1.1
UATA100 (Seagate) 3.06
Ultra ATA Manager (Western Digital) June, 2003
SMARTUDM 2.00
ATA Password Tool 1.1
ATAINF 1.3
Hard Disk Wiping
AutoClave 0.3
Active@ KillDisk Free Edition 3.1
Darik's Boot and Nuke 1.0.3
PC INSPECTOR e-maxx 0.95 Build 775

Hard Disk Cloning
---------------------------
HDClone (Free Edition) 2.0
g4u 1.17
PC INSPECTOR clone maxx 0.95 Build 769
XXCOPY 2.85.5

Hard Disk Sector Editors
--------------------------------
Disk Editor 3.0
DISKMAN4 4.01
PTS DiskEditor 1.04

Partition Tools
--------------------
Ranish Partition Manager 2.44
XFDISK (Extended FDISK) 0.9.3beta
SPFDISK (Special FDISK) 2000-03q
TestDisk 5.3
Partition Resizer 1.3.4
Partition Saving 2.90
Free FDISK 1.3.0
MBRtool 2.2.100
MBRWork 1.07b
FIPS 2.0
Active@ Partition Recovery 2.1.1

Boot Managers
-----------------------
Smart BootManager 3.7R1
Gujin 0.9
GAG 4.3

File Managers
---------------------
DOS Navigator 3.7.0
File Maven 3.5a

NTFS Tools
-----------------
Offline NT Password & Registry Editor with SCSI drivers ver. 040818
Active NTFS Reader for DOS 1.0.1
EditBINI 1.01.1
Boot Partition 2.50

System Burn-In Test
----------------------------
Lucifer 1.0

CPU Tests
---------------
CPU Burn-in 1.00
Mersenne Prime Test 23.5.2

Memory Tests
---------------------
Memtest86 3.1a
Memtest86+ 1.26
Windows Memory Diagnostic
DocMem RAM Diagnostic 1.45a
DocMem RAM Diagnostic 2.1b
TestMem4 4
ctramtest 5.1

Peripherals Tests
-------------------------
Parallel port detection and test utilities 1.45
ATAPI CDROM Identification 2.03

CPU Information
--------------------------
Intel Processor Frequency ID Utility 7.1.20040716

System Information
---------------------------
AIDA16 2.14
NSSI 0.58.3
PC-Config 9.33
ASTRA 4.21
PCISniffer 1.2
PCI 0.49B
CTIA 2.1

Benchmark Applications
-----------------------------------
System Speed Test 32 4.78
3D Benchmark VGA 1.0
CPU Benchmark n/a
CD Index 1.1

BIOS Utilities
--------------------
BIOS 1.34.0
UniFlash 1.37
WipeCMOS 1.2
CMOSPWD 4.3
!BIOS 3.20

DOS Boot Disks
-----------------------
FreeDOS Boot Disk n/a
NwDsk: NetWare Boot Disk 3.17
Madboot Floppy 8.0

Antivirus Tools
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F-Prot Antivirus for DOS (Personal use only)
Virus definition: 27 July 2004 3.15a
McAfee Antivirus Scanner
Virus definition: 27 July 2004 4.32.0

Network Tools
----------------------
Freesco 0.3.2
Arachne WWW Browser 1.75
QNX Demo Browser (network and modem version) 4.00
NetCopy 0.2
DOSRDP 2.0/XP

Disk Image Tools
------------------------
Disk Image Writer

Here's to quality work - wherever we find it, cheers!

Posted by ico2 on Nov. 26 2004,14:03

wow, that is a lot of utils

Posted by freeballer on Dec. 20 2004,02:04

I have made a boot cd from ubcd, dsl and movix without removing software from ubcd or dsl and still having more than enough space to put a few .dsl packages and other bootdisks.
Works beautifully and still easily fits onto a 210mb 8cm CDR.

Posted by softgun on Jan. 05 2005,18:28

IF UBCD is a fork, why are all these posts coming in here? This is for DSL ides and suggestions. Forks can have their own maling lists,surely?

Posted by muzak24h on May 02 2005,15:31

Quote (freeballer @ Dec. 19 2004,21:04)

Wow are you able to do that on version 3.3 and post it to the the < UBCD forum > ?

I will run the Torrent for as long as you want. Of course you know this is the objective of why I (cmatt77) opened this thread over a year ago. BTW: Softgun, this is not a fork! it's a compilation...(just people helping people).

-------------------------------------------------------
Victor Chew - Wrapping-up UBCD 3.3:

- Updated CDShell to V2.1.6.

- Updated BCDW to V2.0a1.

- The FreeDOS-based boot disks have been updated to V3.25. Please read the NwDsk history page for more information. In addition, FreeDOS for UBCD now comes with optional universal SCSI support as well as parameterized booting (memdisk and bcdw only). Thanks to Erwin Veermans for the contribution.

- INSERT LINUX has been updated to include 5 different bootup modes. Thanks to Charles Appel for the contribution.

- Updated Drive Fitness Test to V4.02.

- Updated g4u to V2.0.

- Updated MemTest86+ to V1.55. Thanks to Travis McMurry for the update.

- Updated IBM Feature Tool to V1.97. Thanks to SebastienG for the update.

- Updated MaxBlast to V4.0. Thanks to SebastienG for the update.

- Updated PCI to V1.1. Thanks to SebastienG for the update.
Updated Offline NT Password & Registry Editor to 050303. Thanks to Uriel Sigala for the update.

- Updated ASTRA to V5.00. Thanks to SebastienG for the update.

- Updated UniFlash to V1.40. Thanks to SebastienG for the update.

- Updated TestDisk to V5.7. Thanks to Christophe Grenier for the update.

- Updated PowerMax to V4.21. Thanks to SebastienG for the update.

- Updated Arachne to V1.83. Thanks to Erwin Veermans for the updated image.

- Updated MHDD to V4.2. Thanks to SebastienG for the update.

- Updated F-Prot to V3.16B. Thanks to SebastienG, Larry Smith and Stefano for the update.

- Updated Partition Saving to V3.00. Thanks to SebastienG for the update.

- Updated DBAN to V1.0.5. Thanks to SebastienG for the update.

- Updated CMOSPWD to V4.6. Thanks to SebastienG for the update.

- Added AVG Free Edition V7.0. Thanks to Alan Loughlin for the suggestion.

- Added CHZ Monitor-Test V1.0. Thanks to nynyny for the suggestion.

- Added Necromancer's DOS Navigator V2.15.

- Added GRUB V0.95. Thanks to Michael Schierl for the suggestion.

- Added SCSIMax V2.1. Thanks to halcyon22 for the suggestion.

- Added Eraser for DOS V5.6. Thanks to vaceituno for the suggestion.

- Added FileLink V3.01 (from Caldera OpenDOS V7.03). Thanks to vaceituno for the suggestion.

- Added QwikTest. Thanks to Eric Auer who indirectly pointed me to the web page containing this program.

- Added D-Browse V1.23. Thanks to Eric Auer for suggesting this.

- Removed Ontrack Data Advisor Free Edition because it has expired and will no longer run. Thanks to Russ for informing me.

- Removed Disk Image Writer until it can support IGZ format.
AutoClave has been discontinued and will no longer be updated by its author. Thanks to SebastienG for the update.

- The floppy version of RIP has been discontinued. Thanks to SebastienG for the update.

- Fixed HUTIL to run from RAM disk instead of CDROM because disk diagnostic function writes a log file to disk. Thanks to Mark Holtz for reporting the problem.

- Fixed version number of Smart BootManager to read V3.7.1 instead of V3.7R1.

- Timeout checking is now performed only in the main menu, not submenus.

- Main menu now count down the number of minutes to booting first harddisk. Thanks to Erwin Veermans for the idea.

- Reintroduced PowerMax V4.09, as recommended by Scott Cooper: "Keep Maxtor's 4.09 test as well as the latest (4.21) as Maxtor intentionally crippled the newer versions to not run on non-Maxtor drives. I have been using Maxtor's 4.09 to double-check other tests/drives. I've found it more useful than DFT, which also (as of 3.x) runs on other brands."

- Modified UBCD to use [F8] and [F9] to boot from HDD so that it is similar to the Windows boot option menu. Thanks to Scott Cooper for the suggestion.

- Run a separate timeout.scn when main menu times out to allow for easier customization. Thanks to Scott Cooper for the suggestion.

Posted by gunnix on May 02 2005,17:19

I've tried merging DSL, UBCD(+INSERT), GEEXBOX, RIP, Debian netinstall and my favouritre packages. But I really couldn't find out how to do it right. It would never boot up =/. Anyone knows how to explain clearly how to do it?

grtz

Posted by muzak24h on May 15 2005,23:53

Quote (Guest @ May 02 2005,13:19)

Hi, try some of these places, < http://www.ubcd4win.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=710 >
< http://www.cdshell.org/doc/functref.html >

Also, mkisofs can run native on Win32 (no more cygwin)
< http://cdrtools.bootcd.ru/ >

Posted by SaidinUnleashed on May 16 2005,01:47

also, my home-grown rescue disk is very good.

< The Recovery CD of DOOM >

Currently has DSL 1.0.1 in it.

Posted by gunnix on May 16 2005,08:29

ok thx, I'll look into those and try to build a cd again. Hope I get it right this time

Posted by AwPhuch on May 16 2005,16:52

Quote (SaidinUnleashed @ May 15 2005,21:47)

also, my home-grown rescue disk is very good.

< The Recovery CD of DOOM >

Currently has DSL 1.0.1 in it.

Dude!!!

Man if you would pull those apps from UBCD to yours..WHOAH!!!!

Brian
AwPhuch