take away, put in
Forum: DSL Ideas and Suggestions
Topic: take away, put in
started by: John
Posted by John on Dec. 19 2003,23:21
Okay, lets have a dump of what you think is redundant and what you would like to see. Remember that this is a 50MB MAX distro so don't suggest stuff like KDE, GNOME, or OpenOffice.
Posted by cbagger01 on Dec. 20 2003,02:05
Hi John.Here are a few ideas for future DSL. Obviously there is probably not enough room for all of them but it usually does not hurt to ask:
aumix or other small sized sound volume control utility.
Midnight Commander (probably too big. Maybe can be slimmed down?)
gsview to view postscript files (and also views pdf files. Can get rid of xpdf?)
OR
Siag Office suite. Siag Office comes with gvu, a small utility to view postscript files. Siag Office can be slimmed down quite a bit (help files, unneeded programs like yet another file manager and another text editor) It also gives you a decent word processor that doesn't take up much space and works well on older computers. Also, antiword lets you convert Microsoft Word files into plain text.
A less buggy version of scite or figure out some way to slim down nedit enough to bring it back.
The ability to make a Reiserfs partition and a choice to hdinstall DSL inside a Reiserfs partition. Even on older computers, Reiserfs is the fastest and also the most stable due to journaling capability
LiveCD boot script should specify a higher iNode density when creating the Ramdisk. This will allow the creation of a writable /usr directory on the Ramdisk even when the user only has 32 or 40 MB of RAM. Currently, the user runs out of iNodes even through he has plenty of free disk space on the Ramdisk. This is due to the large number of symbolic links that are created when you build a writable /usr tree that contains links back to the LiveCD for all files in all /usr subdirectories.
xvidtune Allow users to tweak their video settings AFTER starting Xwindows. I don't know if this will work with kdrive servers though.
That's all I can think of at the moment.
I think that DSL is a great product and while these additions would enhance my DSL experience please do not consider this to be criticism.
Happy Holidays
Posted by DrWatt on Dec. 20 2003,02:57
Hi John. I don't really have a specific list, since I think everyone wants different things. With apt-get users can get whatever they want to customize DSL. I would make that the theme. That is DSL should boot from a 50 MB CD and be ready to work with the standard linux commands, a decent MS-compatible word processor like Ted, a printer setup program, a rudimentary spreadsheet, a file browser, and if possible something like LinNeighborhood (samba). Personally, I think 0.511 is there except for the samba client. All the rest is nice to have but not essential (for me) because of apt-get.The CD should also have a good complement of drivers so that it recognizes as many ethernet cards (laptops included) as possible. If one is to augment with apt-get this is most essential.
There is no way my install will fit on a 50 Meg card anymore. I am running Abiword, Pan, Xchat, Lynx, in addition to the fine apts you have chosen. I have tried unsuccessfully to get my sound card working, and LinNeighborhood, as well as my WiFi card, but I will evenually.
If you make it as easy as possible for people to add/change DSL I believe you will satisfy the most users. Of course the CD only people will be much harder to satisfy.
Thanks again for a great product.
Posted by roadie on Dec. 20 2003,03:16
I personally don't need ABS or Xpaint tho it's hard to find a small paint app. I would much rather have Midnight Commander then emlFM (Slackware diehard).Sylpheed is great, I've used it since I first tried Linux as well as Nedit.
What I'd like to see is the addition of drivers for Linmodems as Kurumin is doing, HSF, HCF & Lucent Agere.
Whatever, keep it small, it makes no sense to add Kde or Gnome, kinda defeats the purpose of DSL & there are lots of distros now w/ Kde & Gnome.
My 2 cents,
roadie
Posted by John on Dec. 20 2003,03:31
Great input guys, please keep it coming. I am reading them, but I'd rather not put my 2 cents on any one topic for a while. I don't want to squelch anyone's perspective.Oh, don't worry about criticizing my choices.
Posted by terence on Dec. 20 2003,04:19
Since user can easily apt-get whatever they want. Instead of asking what application user want, maybe it is best to keep it to date (or things that user is hard to do)Most importantly, Keep it up to sync with Knoppix. It is not 3.3 now...
Have advance kernel like Kernel 2.6
Samba support
Terence
Posted by enthusi on Dec. 20 2003,10:59
HI there..Maybe since people with a internet connection can apt-get whatever they want (more or less) it is more useful to add non-net-stuff for those who do not even plan to join the net with their machine. (just like me ;-)
There COULD be a extradirectory with recommended or well-testes apt-get-scripts? Just like Firebird for example.
One could chose after a hd-install wheterh to install some of them or not.
There is that wonderful apple-choose-example on board of DSL already
I'd offer my time to make up such an thing but I'm not to good in scripting stuff I admit.Things should look like:
|x| Mozilla Firebird / up-to-date Browser / 6 MB in size (I dunno)
| | Midnight Commander / fast non-X Filebrowser / 10 MB
| | and so on.......
Good idea or just lame?
I once suggested here a tiny SID-PLAYER even though it may be a bit too specific for many users it's still FUN and only about 55 KB big.
I think a more useable TCC-version would be nice but that is just because of my lack of experience. Maybe it is already easy to use.
What is also an option (mostly for fun I admit) is FASM, a damnsmall assembler , quite up to date and a standalone file.
All in all, things to enhance DSL personal. Maybe some GTK-TCC-examples ... I love to write little C-apps to have little things done I need and I think it is great for 'new' users who get to know linux can get to know a bit of C this way, too.
I think some C-Stuff is more important than 2 or 3 different webbrowsers...
Last point: Midnight commander would truly be great but it seems to be big indeed (so what about another install-script for it?)
So, that's it ;-)
I love DSl pretty much the way it is.
Maybe some forum-readers share some of these ideas or can offer GTK-examples or others for me :-)
I think it should be a goal to keep DSL flexible and easy to enhance but never overloaded. By now I feel like I know every ing file of DSL and that feels great :-)
I'd like to keep the master of the system I use
So have fun you all!
Enthusi
Posted by skaos on Dec. 20 2003,13:29
I would also like midnight commander. If the standard MC is too big, I believe Basic Linux and DeLi has slimmed down versions.
Posted by hasty on Dec. 20 2003,14:18
Good post by enthusi.Another vote for Midnight C.
Is there an older simpler version still around that isn't as featured as the current version?
Great that your still keen John and not exhausted
Posted by DrWatt on Dec. 20 2003,14:55
I too agree with enthusi when he said maybe DSL could include a directory (or menu item) that included scripts to install the most common "other apps." Its relatively trivial but tedious to install other apts with apt-get and newbies don't always know how. This is especially true if you want to add and delete icons for those new apps. It would also make it easier for those of us who have modified our DSL's with new apts when we upgrade to newer versions. Some logistics would have to be worked out on how to do that, since everyone might be starting in a different place. Even though I am still a noob I'm almost feeling my oats enough to write such a script..hmmmm.
Posted by roadie on Dec. 20 2003,17:08
John, here's an MC you may have already seen that might fit well, even has a bit of eye candy.< http://mc.linuxinside.com/cgi-bin/dir.cgi >
roadie
Posted by ke4nt1 on Dec. 23 2003,17:11
Here's another "YEA" vote on adding the MC utility.and some other audio apps (mixers,meters)
Seasons greets to all..
Posted by davide on Dec. 24 2003,18:33
ok, everybody love MC.we stated out, and it's clear by now.
But..should we get rid of the X-filemanager actually provided by dsl.I think we sould not.
It's important to keep basic things VISUAL for those who approach linux for the fiisrt time and use this as first distro. I was surprised to see how many they are, out there in the forums.
This distro rules.
the only thing I wish is that someday someone will do a .iso file, taken from this disto, meant for being installed. it would be great to have it booting skipping all hardware check..getting directly to the log in...I mean when you install this distro, whose goal is to be a live-distro (I don't forget it...)
you notice that it can be improved as a resident distro.I messed up with my bad english, but I hope you'll get the point.
happy holidays to anyone out there. wish next year will be "the year linux takes the power"
Posted by Ack on Dec. 24 2003,21:08
Probably Very Stupid statement below:p I wonder if you could cut anything uncecescary out of xfce and cram it in, in it's .bz2 format
Posted by Lino on Dec. 27 2003,23:34
Happy holidays to everyone here, especially to John!Is there any chance to add digital camera support to DSL? gtkam doesn't seem big, but I'm not sure about the drivers.
My purpose: Put an DSL CD in my camera (Canon PS G2) bag and then I can download pictures from the camera to any PC with USB, without installing anything.
Posted by Albert_W on Dec. 28 2003,00:32
What I would like is Rdesktop (source is only 133 Kb). You can remotely control WinXP prof machines and login to MS windows Terminal servers. (it is part of Knoppix). And also the LTSP client (Linux Terminal Server Project)Damnsmall is an excellent thin client!
Posted by John on Dec. 28 2003,00:56
Quick note, an Rdesktop client is already on DSL.
Posted by Albert_W on Dec. 28 2003,12:07
Must have overlooked that!
Posted by chuck54 on Dec. 29 2003,19:36
Im thinking it would be nice to include a better browser, in place of some other software. Theres nothing i haven't been able to do so far between gLinks and dillo, but they are not perfect. A copy of opera, mozilla or something would be space better spent i think.Also i love gaim. and the text based chat things really bug me.
Those little games 'mostly' arent much my cup of tea. Although, maybe they are so small it doesnt matter? sokoban is good for wasting a bit of brain power though!
;bigger, more standard software, but less of it
This is a great distro, and ive been using it alot since i first found it. Thanks to John, and all the individual software people.
Posted by z4k4ri4 on Dec. 30 2003,09:06
I'm trying to use DSL as my backup tools platform but it doesn't have rsync.my backup tools is a simple script using rsync that copy one harddisk content to another.
Currently I use KNOPPIK booting from hd. But I really like to use DSL booting from hd and to ram. I could do that from DSL 0.5 with slightly revision in linuxrc so that it doesn't try to copy all from /cdrom to ram (which is a 7.6 GB harddisk)
I also like DSL to run from DAMNSMALL file from DAMNSMALL directory so I could have both KNOPPIX and DAMNSMALL in the same partition.
Last but not least
Thank's a lot John
Posted by Crotalus on Dec. 30 2003,19:34
Perhaps a script where you could automagicly edit the lilo.conf's vga line. Like xsetup.sh but it would be fbsetup.sh. This would allow an easier interface for those that aren't too good at the console. And Also, perhaps a 'template' version of DSL.
Posted by cbagger01 on Jan. 03 2004,08:19
John,Found a better and smaller Audio Volume Control/Mixer application than aumix. I think this one is perfect for DSL.
Author's Name of the program: Wmixer 3.0
Debian Package Name: 'wmix' (NOT 'wmixer'. 'wmmixer' is a completely different program and not as good in my opinion)
Debian Package Size: 24.9k compressed, 90.1k uncompressed
Size of just the binary file only (/usr/X11R6/bin/wmix): 43.5k
Additional dependencies needed: NONE
This progam is a little Mixer/Volume control dockapp that plugs into the blackbox/fluxbox 'slit' window (where the Mount.App is displayed)
It has some really neat features:
Double-click on the Volume Control to MUTE/UNMUTE the sound.
Hover your mouse pointer over the dockapp and use the Mouse scroll wheel to increase or decrease the volume by scrolling up or down.
Non scollwheel equipped mice can change the volume by clicking on the volume control and dragging it up or down.
When you change the volume level, it is momentarily displayed on your desktop as a segmented bar graph that looks exactly like the On-Screen volume display from a typical television set.
You can toggle and also change the volume level for all types of sound sources besides just the master volume level.
You can set the default sound source for your audio recording programs.
In addition to volume, you can also adjust the balance (Left vs. Right).
Check it out.
Posted by John on Jan. 03 2004,09:13
nice app
Posted by Waldo on Jan. 04 2004,06:16
I'm all for adding the 2.6 kernel. I don't know about size comparisons, but the interface response speedup is definitely good. Also, ALSA just might get my laptop's sound card working by default -- I get beeps only right now, even though my laptop has speakers and an ESS card. I'm thinking about trying to get ALSA on the laptop tho to see if I can get sound. It's a pain, though, because I can't get Internet access to the laptop. Oh well...
Posted by Sam Data on Jan. 04 2004,20:06
John, could you offer a guideline as to package sizes you would consider manageable?I would like to use jpilot as a PIM - even standalone, if a handheld connection can't be done.
jpilot: 1753k (may need libpisock8, 201k)
Posted by Stu Pidasso on Jan. 21 2004,03:14
John, let me start by saying this is one hell of a Live Distro you've cobbled together. I am subjected to some old hardware in my research lab and DSL runs when other live CD"s won't...even ones based on my beloved Slackware (Slax and StuxCD).Now as for what I would dump and what I would add..let me start with what I would like added:
1) FLAC, Shorten and/or Monkey Audio Input support for Xmms. With the dropping prices of hd's and flash drives, these loseless compression types are becoming more common.
2)Nano. I personally don't need 4 different text editors and I think Nano provides a nice balance of simplicity (for newbies) and useability for Linux vets....but I know editors a very personal thing amongst the linux community, so no flames please.
As for what to drop, I think you are better equipped to make that decision than me. Like I said, I don't need 4 editors and I probably don't need mulitple web browsers either.
Oh and I agree with whoever suggested keeping the packages up to date. I know that is nearly impossible, but if you could keep up with the major changes, that would be good.
Thats all I have to say. Keep up the good work. You'll be getting an order from me for a couple CD's in the mail very soon.
Posted by John on Jan. 21 2004,04:47
Thanks for the feedback Stu, just to let you know, Nano is already in DSL.
Posted by Stu Pidasso on Jan. 21 2004,06:21
yeah, I see know that Nano is there..i've been looking at a bunch of Live CD's lately and i guess i got a little confused.since i am at it, i have one more suggestion. support for USB keyboards would be nice. perhaps it's already there and mine particular is just odd, but i thought since we have USB mice that it would be nice to have the keyboards too.
anyway, thanks again.
Posted by libretto on Jan. 21 2004,17:45
Heres a few requests for programs:Small audio mixer
MSN emualtor (using AMSN under Mandrake but its a bit big)
Posted by markgamber on Jan. 21 2004,23:55
apt-get install gaim and you're on MSN, AOL and a few others, if you so desire. AMSN always struck me as being one step above hammer and chisel.
Posted by dmb2 on Jan. 22 2004,00:22
Newbie here, hope I'm in the right topic. Wow - sylpheed, dillo, nedit all in one small distribution!John, have you seen these lofat linux ideas?
< http://users.netwit.net.au/~pursang/lofat.html >
Will download DSL and try out asap - only 48 kbit/s here.
Thanks. Dave
Posted by stoneguy on Jan. 22 2004,21:22
hpijs would let me print Alternatively, is it worth putting a shim into PATH to include /ramdisk/opt/bin so more knowledgeable users could add whatever they want? (Unless running scripts that reset PATH for security of course.)
Posted by mage492 on Jan. 23 2004,11:55
Here's an idea that would be good for novices. What if there was a small shell script that could be used to save settings and/or files?For example, it could start by prompting the user with a list of choices (floppy, hard drive partition, even cd-r!). Then, it would import anything that existed at that location onto a directory of the ramdisk. When the user was finished, they could execute a second script that would sync everything. It seems to me that all you would need to do is mount the directory, see what needed to be written or wrote, do it, and do a "umount".
I know that people with Linux experience can do this all, manually, but a script or two could help the newbies and those uncomfortable with the mount command. I can't see it taking much space, either (unless you were to get really elaborate).
Posted by len on Jan. 27 2004,17:01
make xvesa default (top of list) during initial boot/ config? or do most install on laptops?firewall, or a link to one that would fit the distro properly on download?
haven't performed a hd-install for a while, so i'm not sure how relevant. if one thing could be changed, it's shifting over from demo distro's sudo su to a root password. i'd say a very brief readme/ guide perhaps added on to the disclaimer note that goes through passwords, firewall, bootdisk, /ect/inittab- run levels, modem config/ troubleshoot. a commandline cheat sheet link like following would be nice to present in docs:
< http://tux.cs.unlv.edu/refs/linux_commands.html >
it's not complete (where's copy- "cp"?), but it can be very handy for a noob, and perhaps can have some specifics referenced where dsl might differentiate in regards to being tied to debian, and apt get, personalizing, tweaking, ect... rationale is, why get lost in a book, when a concise cheat sheat embellished w/ references, and links contains the essentials. small, and light- quicker than going through a book!
also, above cheat sheet should have archiving, and compression commands, traceroute, ping, ifconfig, and some other network diagnostic commands, ect...
Posted by Rapidweather on Feb. 03 2004,03:16
I always like menu items that allow me to get up and running, and restored quickly.Also, I like the Dial and Hangup menu items and the floppy mount/unmount and the
USB mount/unmount that appear in these menus:
< http://www.angelfire.com/ms/telegram/fluxbox_menu > (usb mount)
< http://www.angelfire.com/ms/telegram/fluxbox_menu_2 >
(floppy mount, plus "restore" from /dev/hdb of /MozillaFirebird directory)
< http://www.angelfire.com/ms/telegram/fluxbox_menu_3 >
(restore from /dev/hda2 of /MozillaFirebird directory)
< http://www.angelfire.com/ms/telegram/fluxbox_menu_4 >
(restore from a custom filetool.sh on a floppy)
I realize a lot of this is oddball stuff, restore from various partitions, etc.
that cannot be duplicated in a CD for general consumption. Some of
the wvdial items and floppy and USB mount, etc would be useful,
if fixed up as "su" items in the menu, ready to go to work.
We need somehow to streamline the restore, so the average user
can get going without having to have a Linux guru around.
Posted by Modrak on Feb. 10 2004,21:19
I'd prefer some small ftpd with easy configuration, maybe it shoud use the system passwords and usernamesSomewhere in the forum I saw the same request for some 2kb ftpd...
Remove...some games...I think tuxnes ROMs
Posted by lindenle on May 12 2004,04:48
I would like to add another vote for rsync. (if this thread is even still watched)I use KNOPPIX to sync new machines to our image server with rsync and would love to replace my 'BIG' cd with a 'TINY' one using DSL.
By the way DSL rocks.
L. A. Linden Levy
Posted by nugget on May 12 2004,13:41
I dont know if it is me or not but I see a couple programs that do the same thing. Like Text editors mabye slim down to one. I'm still on .4something though. I'm going to update tonight when I get home. I got a 250MHz w/ 256 ram and a 8.4GB hdd. Nothing else would run, thanks for it I love it.!
Posted by AwPhuch on May 14 2004,19:39
| Quote (nugget @ May 12 2004,09:41) |
| I got a 250MHz w/ 256 ram and a 8.4GB hdd. Nothing else would run, thanks for it I love it.! |
Your kidding right!
That would be a powerhouse for any full bore Linux distro!!!
DSL is nice for the old stuff not something blasting like that...but hey to each his own...
Brian
AwPhuch
Posted by AwPhuch on May 14 2004,19:44
Why not have DSL automatically start with the full bore fluxbox enhanced desktop without having to manually change it...all other desktops (both Linux and Windoze start up with icons) it should be an option to turn them off, not turn them on from bootStop dillo from opening on initial startx, without having to manually change...sheesh!
I would love to see WiFi or Wireless drivers compiled into the release...if not compiled in then a addon module..wireless support would freeking rock!!!!!!!
Brian
AwPhuch
Posted by cbagger01 on May 15 2004,07:11
For some people with very old computers or with limited RAM, having the icons and other enhanced apps automatically start up will break their system.
Posted by OMDarshan on May 20 2004,06:32
Please add "The Ace of Penguins" card Games. So that i can kick M$ from my desktop. I might try ReactOS later. < http://www.delorie.com/store/ace/ >
Posted by bjacobson on May 20 2004,20:20
I think the first and foremost priority ought to be to get 2.6 in. With more hardware support out of the box, this could help out (tho I'm not sure how much). Also the fact that it is a lot zippier (has a lot of read ahead stuff, my friend has it and said it is so much faster than 2.4) makes me think it is a prime candidate. Considering DSL is used on a lot of older computers, I think just about anything that can be reasonably done to speed up the distro should be done.Would it be possible for you guys to add stuff into or find an all in one browser? I can't configure my router from the text based one, but in the visualer one (can't member name) I just get a 401 error when type in 192.168.1.1.
Another thing-I think that the size should be limited to something like 75 MB in a year or two when it is really needed. As long as something is essential or very useful and it is presented in the most boiled down way, then I think the size should accomadate it.
But thats just my 3.7 cents.
Posted by TyphoonMentat on May 21 2004,15:54
Well, there are several problems with 2.6.First of all, implementing 2.6 in the current DSL would be quite messy, and a fresh start from Knoppix 3.4 would probably be needed. It would also break support for some hardware; just check out the innumerable threads on www.knoppix.net regarding 2.6 and hardware detection failing.
Anyway, 2.6 doesn't have too many performance benefits for desktops - the improvements are mostly server-related.
Posted by enthusi on May 21 2004,21:35
hi,keeping up to the latest kenerel and software may not always be a good idea..
Same goes with GTK...
or other apps...
Sometimes they get better but bigger as well and most of the times efficiency decreases (what is 'ok' since hardware usually develops faster than software).
It may be better for this small, efficient, low-end, 50-MB dist. not to 'keep up' . The latest Knoppix is to much of everything for my mainmachine almost. Its up-to-date. An uses what it gets.
Personally I do not always use the latest version of all apps. When Im comfortable and all bugs are squished - Im happy
Just a thought,
enthusi
Posted by BillH on May 22 2004,14:03
| Quote (enthusi @ May 22 2004,06:35) |
| Personally I do not always use the latest version of all apps. When Im comfortable and all bugs are squished - Im happy Just a thought, enthusi |
enthusi,
You da man. I agree 100%.
Posted by John on May 22 2004,16:40
Excuse me for the tiny bit of soapboxing...There is also the issue of significant performance drop when many applications jumped from GTK1 to GTK2.
Here is a short list of applications that have significantly slowed down with the jump to gtk2:
gthumbs
gtk-gnutella
galeon (was a wonderful browser in the 1.2 days)
gnumeric
gftp
Abiword
gimp
(there are many more)
I find myself always wanting to grab older versions most of the time. As a fan of lite applications I am hoping that either a revival f gtk1 happens (maybe a split?) or another lite GUI takes hold.
Maybe in a couple of years DSL will be mostly powered by apps made under FLTK?
(yes, I am planning on this project being around in a couple of years)
Posted by TyphoonMentat on May 22 2004,17:14
Hopefully all the applications currently using GTK+1.2 won't change to GTK+2 either - Dillo shows signs of perhaps doing that... 
Posted by cbagger01 on May 22 2004,22:24
If the developers are careful, they should be able to create a product that will compile using either GTK 1.2 or GTK2.0For these applications, the user can decide at compile time whether or not to build it as a GTK 1.2 or a GTK 2.0 application. My preference is GTK 1.2, particularly when using on older hardware.
The biggest problem I see is that the "official" packages for these apps could create dependency problems because you may want the "GTK 1.2" package, but the official package is a GTK2.0 version and installing it will result in the installation of a whole bunch of GTK2.0 libraries.
Posted by SaidinUnleashed on May 23 2004,21:42
not sure if this has been suggested, but DSL should dump LILO for GRUB.its easier to change the setup, and harder to break, and easier to repair if you do break it.
the lilo on DSL only installs proerly 2/5 of the time for me. and its not a bad iso.
i like lilo, but grub it just so much easier to work with.
EDIT: damn keyboard is dying...
Posted by Merdock on May 24 2004,20:34
Ideas... And thoughts to start threads.What I really really like about DSL is the toram option during boot. There is zero waste on the CD and I can get things done. You can't even do that with KNOPPIX straight (well not without paging or LOTS of ram)
However there is a bit of a hassle (maybe just becuase I am new to live cds) with the backup and restore schemes. I would like to simplify those hassles and just have /home /usr maybe /etc all mount directly to a usb drive. (personally i use a pcmcia hard disk) Just think that most pen drives now are actually getting larger then DSL itself...
Think about it, you run DSL for the first time, select your point drives and have DSL copy all the defualt software there. Then reboot. The next time just say "dsl toram mount=/dev/dhe1" and you DSL will run from memory but look to disk for user applications and config info... There can even be options to copy the man pages onto usb. (I do miss man pages a little also)
I think its a the best hybrid. Installs of new applications wouldn't require learning to remaster the distro (of which I can't do yet). You would still get the fast loading "toram" option for key parts of the system but you wouldn't have "work arounds" for normal linux tasks like modifying config files under /etc.
Well...?
Posted by jackokring on May 29 2004,04:14
cd iso mounter for that groovey iso on a hard disk etc.simple delta sigma 'beep' speaker 8 bit sound driver.
wifi.
simple speed and memory detection enter sophisticated mode on boot.
less perl. or no perl? tcl smaller??
why bash when sh or some other tiny shell, but wish, or perl work ok?
ok
Posted by Dud3! on May 29 2004,05:00
I'll admit I skipped from the first post to this reply, so this might have been suggested:partimage! It'd be great if partimage was on the CD.
I'm going to find out how I can customize DSL and put stuff like FF, partimage, GAIM, GFTP and a few other things in and make my own version for personal use. As long as it fits on a 210MB mini-CD-R.
Oh, and did I mention DSL is freaking awesome? Nice work! Loaded to dual channel Corsair XMS it is amazingly fast.
Posted by clacker on July 15 2004,04:12
I really miss the Scite editor in the latest DSL release. Vim is ok. It's powerful and efficient, with macros, and I like that you can use the keyboard for everything so you don't waste time mousing around. Beaver looks OK, but Scite had syntax highlighting for more languages. I went back to using the previous version of DSL because I like Scite.I you do keep just vim, is it possible to use one that has syntax highlighting, like the version of vim Knoppix has does? Does that take up a lot of disk space?
Posted by ke4nt1 on July 15 2004,04:30
Hehehehe...I thought the same thing... Beaver was crawl speed on big files, and the
screen rewrites were not redrawing correctly.. I missed scite....
So, I did an apt-get install scite from the stable,
and copied the installed files/dirs into my filetool.lst
added - /usr/bin/scite
added - /usr/share/scite
backup like usual, and reboot..
Restore from backup, and.....
Ahh.. the ol' scite back to stay...
Now I've got both !! ....
SOMEONE should pull the scite out of 0.7.1, and make a .dsl extension..
Hint, hint....
73
ke4nt
Posted by SaidinUnleashed on July 15 2004,05:45
I, too miss Scite, but I think the reason that John took it out and replaced it with Beaver is the fact that Beaver is smaller than Scite.But, IMHO, Beaver is not yet complete enough to be the stand alone editor that DSL needs.
Oh, and one more thing. Please please please update cardmgr with the next release of DSL. It fixes the bug with the cardbus slots on my laptop.
Posted by roberts on July 15 2004,14:06
Ok. No need to start making a scite.dsl Scite will be restored in the next release.
Posted by hasty on July 15 2004,15:35
Thanks for the quick response.I too have learned to love Scite with use, but wonder if theres an easy way to strip out much of the excess languages support which is overkill for my modest needs.
Posted by cbagger01 on July 15 2004,16:43
I look at this thread with some amusement...I remember that I whined when Nedit was replaced with Scite is DSL... I preferred Nedit because it had the "Open Previous files" menu option and the Bash syntax highlighting actually worked properly unlike Scite.
Beaver has an Nedit-style "Previous" menu option but seems to be lacking in other areas.
I guess that happiness is relative
FYI, I support the return of Scite unless there is really great killer app that would be a better use of the new free space.
Posted by clacker on July 15 2004,17:53
And as long as it's my time to whine... Why is the unmount command not in DSL? Is this to save space, or some other reason. I know about the mount.app, but there are times it would be nice to just unmount. Could you put it back in or can I add it myself somehow?
Posted by ke4nt1 on July 15 2004,18:19
?? ??I've never seen an "unmount" command before...
Is it different from "umount" ??
73
ke4nt
( I couldn't resist! )
Posted by clacker on July 15 2004,18:37
What kind of cruel prankster would remove the n from unmount???Thanks, works just fine now. umount. the n has been removed from all of my documentation and the examples I was trying to follow. I would have sworn I saw an n.
I need to make an alias.
Posted by clivesay on July 15 2004,18:41
clacker -Your post cracked me up because when I first learned how to mount/umount devices I must have typed "unmount" a dozen times before I finally got the hang of typing "umount"
Chris
Posted by SaidinUnleashed on July 15 2004,23:12
try this | Code Sample |
| root@box:~$ umount /dev/[device] |
notice that there is no "n" in umount.
oh and one more thing,
can emelfm's default editor be changed from nedit to scite for the next release? its a little annoying to have to do this myself with every install. Or remember to click "Open With". la~
Posted by cbagger01 on July 16 2004,01:34
Who was the UNIX genius who decided that the word 'unmount' was just too big and 'umount' is perfect?Obviously he never heard of the first rule of user interface design:
If your user has to read a manual to figure it out, your interface is already a failure.
I can understand abbreviating the thing down to something like 'um' for brevity's sake but 'umount'? Get real.
Posted by ke4nt1 on July 16 2004,01:50
| Quote |
| What kind of cruel prankster would remove the n from unmount??? the n has been removed from all of my documentation and the examples |
It's a conspiracy, clacker..
We all got together one evening, and decided to make you the goat of a nasty prank....
We made a script that would remove all the "N's" and "n's" from all of your
files and documents and remove the "N" from your keyboard.
( If you'll look down, you'll see that the "N" key is now a sideways "Z" !! )
Consider yourself officially initiated into the DSL community.....
73 de Kent
ke4nt
Posted by clacker on July 16 2004,02:28
| Quote |
| It's a conspiracy, clacker.. We all got together one evening, and decided to make you the goat of a nasty prank.... |
oh... you're a damn clever bunch. Stealing the 'n' from 'unmount' and the 'or' from 'password.'
It's all fun and games untill someone looses an 'I.'
Posted by SaidinUnleashed on July 16 2004,03:03
| Quote (clacker @ July 15 2004,22:28) |
| It's all fun and games untill someone looses an 'I.' |
Heh, I'm gonna put that in my sig. That's great!
Posted by Sparrowman on July 16 2004,15:07
| Quote (roberts @ July 15 2004,10:06) |
| Ok. No need to start making a scite.dsl Scite will be restored in the next release. |
Thanks for restoring Scite! I like it much better than Beaver.