how to install DSL to HD thru LPT CDRM drv

Forum: DSL Tips and Tricks
Topic: how to install DSL to HD thru LPT CDRM drv
started by: logicmaster2003

Posted by logicmaster2003 on Dec. 20 2005,02:40

Good evening guys..

ONE question.. I have here an old old laptop IBM755CX with 24MB ram / 1GB with win98 installed / external Parallel-Port CDrom drive

My question is... which DSL do I download ?
I'm 100% sure it will not be the LIVE-CD because there is no such thing as boot-to-LPT-port (cdrom). And i'm 100% it is not the EMBEDDED.zip because I don't want to run DSL on top of win98 (since I want to get rid of win98). The other option that i know of, is to download the 60 floppy disk version then boot off the floppy and install .. but this is super tedious !! Any other method ?

So I want to know which DSL that I can download to install within win98, and then somehow wipe out win98 and eventually have it boot to DSL on the HD.

Any idea how ? THanks

I'm building this for my grandpa

Posted by spock on Dec. 20 2005,04:35

Hi Logicmaster,

You could just copy the content of the live CD to the root of your C: drive and then install Grub. That's the only difficult part but you will find lots of infos about it on the forum.

This is what I did on a dual boot Ubuntu-WinXP by just adding the appropriate lines in /boot/grub/menu.lst. Quick and very easy to update !

Cheers

Posted by _pathos on Dec. 20 2005,11:04

All you need to do is copy the knoppix folder from the cd onto the drive and restart the computer with the boot floppy.

the "frugal" option will let you access the drive, I would suggest the lowram option as well.

Then you can install grub once you're sure its what you need.

Posted by cbagger01 on Dec. 21 2005,03:46

Make sure that you copy all of the files to your C:\ drive and also make sure that you copy to

C:\KNOPPIX\KNOPPIX

Note the UPPERCASE letters.

Posted by logicmaster2003 on Dec. 21 2005,07:29

oh major poop for me !!!

BAD BAD ME.. i should have read your replies first before I did what this guy said...

< http://damnsmalllinux.org/cgi-bin....t=10361 >

cuz i've somehow formatted the HD and set it up for Linux primary partition. So that means no more win98 that can access the parallel-port cdrom drive.

so that means my only option right now is to follow the above , which i'm stuck in that step !!

help help

Posted by cbagger01 on Dec. 21 2005,19:20

Either pull the hard drive and do the install on a different computer, or boot from floppy and do a net install (frgual lite and Tom's Root Boot disk) or a floppy only install.

Or you can reinstall MSDOS/FreeDOS/Win95/Win98 and install the parallel port driver and do it that way.

Posted by logicmaster2003 on Dec. 21 2005,23:52

hi Cbagger01.. thanks for the advice. I chose the path to install MSDOS just so I can enable the parallel-port external cdrom drive where I can copy the \KNOPPIX into the harddrive ..

note: (Pentium 75mhz + fd drive + 24MB ram + 1GB hd + external parallel port cdrom drive)

Copied the D:\KNOPPIX directory to C:\KNOPPIX.

Inserted the bootfloppy and actually got far .. as far as ..

Quote

Autoconfiguring devices .. done
Mouse ..
Scanning for Harddisk Partitions and createing /etc/fstab .. done.
Network device ..
..
Checking for myDSL apps.. done
INIT: Entering runlevel:5
su(pam_unix)[736]: session opened for user dsl by (uid=0)
Using Xvesa default 1024x768x32 -mouse "/dev/psaux" mouse
xauth: creating new authority file /home/dsl/.Xauthority
xauth: creating new authority file /home/dsl/.Xauthority

givng up.
xinit: Broken pipe (errno 32): unable to connect to X server.
xinit: No such process (errno 3): unexpected signal 13
dsl@tty1[dsl$]_

but then what do i do now ? whats the next step ? Thanks in advance

Posted by sarah on Dec. 22 2005,10:56

What boot switches did you use?
Try booting with:

Code Sample

dsl mem=24M minimal desktop=jwm xsetup

and see what happens?
Hope that it helps.
Cheers and beers,
Sarah

Posted by sarah on Dec. 22 2005,10:58

Also, if you get dropped into a shell like that again, type:

Code Sample

xsetup.sh

which will take you through a setup script for X.

Cheers and beers again!
Sarah

Posted by logicmaster2003 on Dec. 22 2005,14:28

Good morning Sarah

Thanks for the kind reply

I use the switch DSL 2 LOWRAM MINIMAL when that happened.

Now when I try the switch that you gave me... i get the same result.

Also late last nite I reformatted my HD via CFDISK to allocate 250MB for Linux swap and then installed msdos6.22 on the remaining 850MB...

typing the command sudo su and then fdisk -L..

Quote

Disk /dev/hda: 1083 MB, 1083801600 bytes
64 heads, 63 sectors/track, 525 cyl
units=cylinders of 4032*512 = 2064384 bytes

device boot start end blocks id system
/dev/hda1 * 405 525 243936 82 Linux swap
/dev/hda2 1 404 814432 6 FAT16

so anywayz.. back to the boot up error............

[/QUOTE]
fat: bogus logical sector size 17408
vfs : cant find a valind fat filesystem on dev 03:01

su(pam_unix)[736]: session opened for user dsl by (uid=0)
Using Xvesa default 1024x768x32 -mouse "/dev/psaux" mouse
xauth: creating new authority file /home/dsl/.Xauthority
xauth: creating new authority file /home/dsl/.Xauthority

givng up.
xinit: Broken pipe (errno 32): unable to connect to X server.
xinit: No such process (errno 3): unexpected signal 13
dsl@tty1[dsl$]_
[/QUOTE]

running xsetup.sh to implement 640x480x8-bit yields the same error

Posted by logicmaster2003 on Dec. 22 2005,14:29

yea its a piece of work huh

Posted by logicmaster2003 on Dec. 22 2005,14:31

Good morning Sarah

Thanks for the kind reply

Quote

I needed to do the above just so I can install msdos6.22 + the driver for the parallel-port external cdrom drive so I can copy the KNOPPIX directory to my root C:

so anywayz.. back to the boot up error............

Quote

fat: bogus logical sector size 17408
vfs : cant find a valind fat filesystem on dev 03:01

su(pam_unix)[736]: session opened for user dsl by (uid=0)
Using Xvesa default 1024x768x32 -mouse "/dev/psaux" mouse
xauth: creating new authority file /home/dsl/.Xauthority
xauth: creating new authority file /home/dsl/.Xauthority

givng up.
xinit: Broken pipe (errno 32): unable to connect to X server.
xinit: No such process (errno 3): unexpected signal 13
dsl@tty1[dsl$]_

running xsetup.sh to implement 640x480x8-bit yields the same error

Posted by logicmaster2003 on Dec. 23 2005,09:11

oh well.. i dont want to ruin xmas for everybody so i'll resume workin on this next year. MERRRY CHRISTMAS everyone

Posted by chunkeydelight on Dec. 25 2005,07:21

well..... idk how much help i'm goin 2 be with this because i haven't really used linux before in my life but i've been reading a lot about it because i really wanna get into it...... my suggestion on this matter would be get rid of linux and find a way of getting the windows os that u had on there back on there so that u can access the cd rom......and than after that try 2 follow wut the other forum posters had 2 say about this matter.... good luck :;):

Posted by cbagger01 on Dec. 27 2005,19:17

FYI,

if you make a linux swap partition using fdisk you still need to format it with a command like:

mkswap /dev/hda1

Also, try this:

Code Sample

dsl 1 vga=normal atapicd noideraid nosound noapic noacpi acpi=off noscsi noapm nousb nopcmcia nofirewire noagp nomce mem=16M

where you replace the "16M" with the amount of the RAM installed in your computer. The "M" at the end must be UPPERCASE letter.

You can also try some of the framebuffer modes listed on page F3 of the boot menu with a command like:

dsl vga=769 xsetup

and then choose the "xfbdev" server when prompted.

Posted by logicmaster 2 0 0 3 on Jan. 02 2006,10:34

Hi Cbagger01..

Thank you so much for the reply

Yea i took some weeks off of my hobbies (like THIS ONE, and video gaming) and just dedicated all my christmas-to-new year's spare time with family

well HAPPY NEW YEAR

I probably will just trash that really old laptop ( Pentium 1 - 90mhz + 24MB ram with no cdrom drive) or try to do that command that u described. ITs a shame I got it for $300 about 5 years ago when it was considred "good buy"

but anyways.. my sis gave me her 6 year old machine ( pentium 800mhz + 128MB ram + 2GB HD) and for the past 4 hours.. I was able to run LIVE DSL and then install to the HD

This is what I'm going to give to my grandpa

I have one question tho.. if you don't mind... how come on the right side of the screen.. when i scroll thru the devices that can be mounted/dismounted.. it now just show FD / CDROM .. its not showing the HARDDISK as a device ??

Posted by logicmaster 2 0 0 3 on Jan. 02 2006,10:36

Hi Cbagger01..

Thank you so much for the reply

Yea i took some weeks off of my hobbies (like THIS ONE, and video gaming) and just dedicated all my christmas-to-new year's spare time with family

well HAPPY NEW YEAR

This is what I'm going to give to my grandpa

I have one question tho.. if you don't mind... how come on the right side of the screen.. when i scroll thru the devices that can be mounted/dismounted (docks).. it now only show FD / CDROM ..and not the HARDDISK ??

Posted by xaccrocheur on Jan. 08 2006,10:01

Quote (cbagger01 @ Dec. 20 2005,22:46)

Make sure that you copy all of the files to your C:\ drive and also make sure that you copy to

C:\KNOPPIX\KNOPPIX

Note the UPPERCASE letters.

Hey, will it work in a Win2000 install ? Because I'm with a weird setup here : My DSL (current.iso) CD won't complete it's boot, looks like the laptop (Infamous mini-Vaio PG505FX, PMMX@266, 32M RAM, 5Gb Disk) once the CD booted, won't see it's CD anymore. It's attached via a dedicated PC-card and at every boot, DSL says scannong for USB devices... OK, and then : SDL can't find any KNOPPIX system, dropping you to a very limited shell. And indeed.

On the other hand, there IS an install of Win2k on this laptop, of witch I wanted to get RID, or at least, REDUCE to a drastic 1Gb, thinking it was impossible. Where again are the instructions to install the DSL install files *into* a win partition, and the mount it from a CD boot ?
thanks everyone ! Linux just rules.

Posted by cbagger01 on Jan. 10 2006,18:00

You cannot use it with a Win2000 install unless you create a FAT or FAT32 data partition.

Win2000/XP/2003 use the NTFS file system that cannot be used with the KNOPPIX cloop file.

Posted by NeoDSL on Jan. 17 2006,06:29

I will suggest not using the dma switch when one runs into the "CD will boot but not read thereafter" problem. Some old CD drives don't like the dma on. Dell Inspiron 3200 for example.

Also, I'm wondering if your doing a frugal install to HD (when you said HD install). From the way I read the directions, a Debian like install is when you're wanting just that. That is, a way to install Debian via this DSL. Perhaps grandpa would be best able to have you copy over the new DSL instead; in one quick file (saving all his stuff in petsistant dirs) when the new versions come out; via the frugal install.