HD installed ???

Forum: HD Install
Topic: HD installed ???
started by: freykatt

Posted by freykatt on Dec. 09 2006,21:36

Hi all, first attempt to do Linux, esspecially dual boot. I first attempted to "frugal", (3 times), on slave hdb1, couldn't find or boot , finally installed to HD, know its there but lilo didn't boot DSL, how do I get to Lilo? and fix it?

Thanks.

PS= Win98se - 233mhz - 160mb

Posted by ^thehatsrule^ on Dec. 09 2006,21:40

Fast fix: set your bios to boot off hdb.
Reason: DSL will install the bootloader to the MBR of the device of the partition used for installation.

There are other solutions, but that's up to you on how you want to set it up.

Posted by freykatt on Dec. 09 2006,21:49

Thanks thr, but my computor doesn't see hdb and my bios doesn't list "b". I have tried to find and or make a boot disk of some kind but as you can see, I am pretty limited on knowledge and experiance. Thank you again.

Posted by ^thehatsrule^ on Dec. 10 2006,02:27

No, usually under your bios, it uses a different convention, set it to boot off the other/secondary hard drive.

Posted by kamaradski on Dec. 10 2006,17:54

after you got that working you might have to edit the " lilo-config" to have it find the windows on your other disk. (prolly hda1)

Posted by freykatt on Dec. 10 2006,21:52

Thanks thr and kamaradski, Upon redoing my bios, there is not a Slave drive "D" which i am trying to find, which is where I installed DSL. I re-installed DSL again slowly and carefully and come up with the same results - says it is installed, says lilo is installed, but when I reboot and take the live CD out it goes ahead and boots straight to Win98, no choice. Bout ready to go out and kiss some frogs or something. Thanks again ya'll.

Posted by ^thehatsrule^ on Dec. 10 2006,23:44

Perhaps your bios is limited... You can physically switch the drives in their order on the cables (or even take out the windows one for now).

Or you can install lilo/grub to hda, Or even change the windows bootloader (ntldr).

Posted by freykatt on Dec. 11 2006,00:09

Hi thr, Iwas reading a post by smag and was trying the same, only when I log in on the term and type in cfdisk, it comes up on hda with no way to change to hdb to partition and format for a new install. When I log into terminal as root, how do I specify which HD I wish to partition?

Posted by ^thehatsrule^ on Dec. 11 2006,01:39

cfdisk help page: cfdisk [options] device
so you can use cfdisk /dev/hdb

Posted by freykatt on Dec. 11 2006,02:27

Great thr, I tried the same thing but left a "/" out. I was able to see hdb and all. I changed "boot" to hdb1 primary (ext 2) , I hope that was correct??? Altho my puutor still boots to w98. Isn't there supposed to be a window with a choice of OS???

Posted by ^thehatsrule^ on Dec. 11 2006,04:06

no, using cfdisk doesnt not alter your BIOS settings.

Usually on bootup, you can press DEL or F2, etc. to enter CMOS Setup.

Posted by freykatt on Dec. 11 2006,17:10

Thanks thr, I am able to access my bios and chang, but it still does not see hdb, but with cfdisk, it shows hdb1 boot ext2 primary 319.90mb
hdb5 logical 1791.89mb

having searched, I am unable to determine what procedure I have missed.???, of course my brain is getting a little fogged at this point.

Posted by roberts on Dec. 11 2006,17:21

I find the gag boot loader very easy to setup and boot a mixed environment. Once I have gag I don't even need to change BIOS to select boot from floppy, boot from floppy is a default gag selection. On one of my test machines.

hda1 windows 98
hda5 Linux Swap
...
hda10 Mydsl
hda12 DSL Traditional hard drive install
hdc1 DSL Frugal

You may want to try it.

Posted by freykatt on Dec. 11 2006,17:28

Thanks Roberts, I'll look into GAG.

Posted by ^thehatsrule^ on Dec. 11 2006,17:31

Okay, in BIOS there's probably something like "Change boot order", etc. where you can change what gets booted first.

Of course this is 1 way to do this, but did you try any others?

Posted by freykatt on Dec. 11 2006,17:38

Hi thr, yes, but my bios boot order does not show hdb. it shows options of c, d, e (pen dr. 32mb), f (cdrom), g(external cdrw), LS/zip, but no hdb.

Posted by ^thehatsrule^ on Dec. 11 2006,18:19

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No, usually under your bios, it uses a different convention, set it to boot off the other/secondary hard drive.

As I said, under your bios its different. It's probably option "d" in your case.

Posted by kamaradski on Dec. 11 2006,19:59

hda1 = first partition on first drive
hda2 = second partition on first drive
hda3 = guess what

hdb1 = first partition on second drive
hdb2 = well you prolly know by now.

in bios:
hda = first drive so it's drve C:\ (windows notition)
hdb = second drive so it's drive D:\ (windows notition)

floppy and zip drives always take a:\ and b:\ (back in the old day's)

so you need to boot D:\

Posted by freykatt on Dec. 11 2006,20:09

Wahoo!!!! Well I changed bios to "D" boot and now I will officially discontinu kissin frogs, seems it is agonna work. tried to setup internet but see I will have to fart with it some, otherwise, it feels good to "officially" enter Linux world, a positive step to heal from "blue screen" disease.?
Many, many thanks to "thehatsrule" and those that jumped in, hopefully I will be able to soon assist!!!

Posted by ^thehatsrule^ on Dec. 11 2006,21:18

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hda1 = first partition on first drive
hda2 = second partition on first drive
hda3 = guess what

Actually, it depends on what type of partition and how the partitioning tool creates it - not sure if there are concrete rules though. (ie 5 is usually used for the first logical partition, etc). Also afaik the use of a: c: etc. started with dos. Not that it really matters :P

Posted by kamaradski on Dec. 11 2006,23:12

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eeh yeah indeed, the situation i discribed is linux only :cool:

and i always did make my partitions with cfdisk in the logical-order i discribed, maybe that's whay it always worked for me this way ..?
both my slackware (10 hdd's) and my dsl got it in logical-order as i discribed. could be luck tho.

anyway, i tryed to discribe the boot-order, and think it worked

lets have a party for freykatt, who can enjoy the greatness of DSL now

Posted by freykatt on Dec. 12 2006,18:29

hey kamaradsky, best idea I've heard in a while, I'll spring for the "medicine". Well, ya don't know what a pleasure to see this thing thru, even tho I knew it hada be fairly simple, I was like a little kid afraid to take out the trash in the dark (not sure what kinda buggers out there). This opened my eyes to a lot of stuff. Thank you for your help! I tried to set up my telco connection last nite, but am running into a brick wall, maybe "drivers", it dosen't seem to recognize my modem. will look for drivers on the net. Big beautiful sunny day here in upstate N.Y. today, sitting here looking out the window at the ski mountain in my backyard, the skiers are havin a ball. Have a great one ya'll.

Posted by kamaradski on Dec. 12 2006,22:42

you are teasing me with nice weather ?? haha it'd raining dogs here in holland atm. stormy too.

but hey i dont care much about weather, i got linux haha.

sorry i cant help you with your modem, i hate those things.
only thing i can say about it, it has to be a "hardware modem". You can tell if it is by the components that are on it. You need to have a big chip and loads of little critters. also there should be a wirespool (often red) present.
they called hardware modem cos the are driver completly by the hardware itselfs.

so called winmodems, are software modems with only little thingy's and a smaller chip. they are driven by software inside windows and will NOT work in ANY linux. as far as i know.

so you need to find out before you go search drivers.
if you post me the type/details i can try find out for ya.

good luck
kamaradski

Posted by freykatt on Dec. 12 2006,23:43

Hi kamaradsky, you mustof shoved some of your rain up this way as it is calling for a little rain, sleet, and snow, now we can use the snow for the skiers, but you can keep the rain thank you, HAR. Anyway, thanks for the offer, the only name my modem has is "standard modem". Anyway, there is still lots to do and lots to learn and get acquainted with once you get into Linux, huh? It will be interesting to do a little surfing thru your country. Don't take no wooden nickles in the meantime.

Posted by kamaradski on Dec. 15 2006,14:55

hehe you must be right the rain is gone, i whish you luck with it

anyway, post me photo's of your modem-card (up and downside) and i might be able to find-out.
(i'm a computer repair guy, so i know quite a lot hardware)

greets

Posted by freykatt on Dec. 19 2006,23:33

Hi kamaradski, been busy getting this B & B ready for ski season, unfortunatly, not hardly any snow at this time. The Mtn. has 10 trails open out of close to a hundred and that is only because there have been a few days cold enough to make snow, bummer.. Any way, I will try to pull the modem in a day or two soon as time permits.