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Posted: Oct. 03 2004,03:06 QUOTE

Looking at the problem of replacing the miniroot.gz and vmlinuz as found in DSL 0.6.2 (for instance), with the linux24 and minirt24.gz as found in DSL 0.8.2:
I note that the boot.img in 0.6.2 is 1.41 MB, which is floppy sized. So,
making a boot.img with the linux24 (971.49 KB) and the minirt24.gz (771.84 KB) would push the boot.img over a "floppy size".
Now all that would fit on a CD, but would that be valid under the
syslinux setup? There is that limit on it, and that is why, as pointed out, DSL had to go to the isolinux boot setup.
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I did try to boot DSL 0.8.2 with a 0.6.2 boot floppy, and got module
errors, etc. with no boot. Then I looked at the sizes of the files, and decided that the 0.8.2 linux24 and minirt24.gz wouldn't fit in a custom
boot.img, unless it was on a CD, then it wouldn't work under syslinux.
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Now, about my booting problems using 0.8.2 on my Dell Demension 4600: This is a fairly modern machine, very expen$ive ($2400.00) and
typical of what Dell has to offer. If DSL won't run on those, then I am of the opinion that something has to be done. Dell is mail order. No testing of the machine with a "live cd" beforehand, as recommended a while back on Slashdot. Those folks that have XP on Dells will soon want
something like DSL, for the security and upgrade hassles and expenses for XP will tire them out, for sure.
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The good part is that DSL has a bunch of mirrors with older versions
available, that will run on (practically) anything that has a decent amount of memory.
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I heard that the hardware requirements of the next big Windows distro, (longhorn) will perhaps require up to 3 GB of RAM. To this end, Dell is shipping machines now that can be upgraded to that level. Even though those boxes are going out with Windows XP, they know that soon, (2006) upgrades to the next version of Windows will be tried by the owners of those machines. So, they are ready. The question is: " can DSL run on current Dell offerings?"
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Now, I have to get working on putting 0.8.2 on that USB stick... I'll have to boot it with the usb boot floppy, but that's because I have a "non-usb-bootable"  motherboard on my Dual Pentium Pro box.  On the Dell, I looked in Setup, and not sure if it can boot directly off a usb stick either, so I'll use the floppy there also.
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Posted: Oct. 03 2004,20:54 QUOTE

Rapidweather,

There is no need to hack a DSL 0.8.2 bootfloppy together. One already exists.  Get the floppy image here:

http://ibiblio.org/pub....8.0.img


Or if you want one that has USB support built in (good for booting from a floppy to a USB drive.  Also, is used as the base for assembling a bootable USB device):

http://ibiblio.org/pub....0.8.img

Both are less than 1.44MB and both can be written to a floppy using rawrite32 in windows or dd in linux.
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Posted: Oct. 03 2004,21:37 QUOTE

Yes, I did get the usb boot.img and used dd to put it on a floppy.
I did the usb install onto a dell 64 mb stick, and cannot get it boot.
I get dropped to a (very limited) shell, as /KNOPPIX is not found.
Apparently the script is looking for sda1, and my Dell probably has the
usb ports on something else. I have one of those LCD monitors that has
two usb sockets on the left hand side of the screen. Tried it there.
I note that the usb install script left me hanging with the 100% full, or no
more room message. Perhaps I need to use a 128 MB stick?
When I mount the stick (64 MB) and look at the contents with emelfm I get this:
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boot.msg  110 bytes
f2              1592 bytes
f3              1675 bytes
german.kbd  256 bytes
ldlinux.sys    7836 bytes
linux24          971.49 KB
logo16         7367 bytes
minirt24.gz    242.28 KB
syslinux.cfg    2045 bytes
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I notice that the minirt24.gz is smaller in size than the original
on the CDROM.
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On my remaster, minirt24.gz is 771.84 KB, which may be a little different
from the DSL 0.8.2 original, which is 771.79 KB, reflecting the changes I made to linuxrc.
So, the minirt24.gz above on my usb stick is _way_ short, and probably the cause of my booting problems.
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Is this my problem as to why I can't boot, OR is it
that I am trying this USB installation on the same machines that could
not boot DSL 0.8.2 from a CD, and that this usb install is the same
distro?
As I have noted elsewhere in the forums, I have a Toshiba 4015CDS laptop (PII, 160 MB ram)and a Dell Dimension 4600 (P4 HT, 1 GB ram) that could not boot DSL 0.8.2 from a CD. (Both boxes could boot 0.6.2 ok)
I am trying the USB install as it uses syslinux (boot floppy) instead of isolinux as on the CD to see what results I could get.
I really need a bunch of different machines to try all this on. I only have four.
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Posted: Oct. 03 2004,21:44 QUOTE

OK,

Here is some additional information that might help.

1) Some Dell computers do not properly boot from USB unless you use one of the REAR USB ports.  If your USB device does not light up before the Initial Dell Logo BIOS screen disappears then you have a problem.  You should probably disable "FAST BOOT" in your BIOS.  Also, sometimes it works better if you boot from a CTL-ALT-DEL keystroke.  Press "F12" and choose Boot from USB device.

See this thread for more details on my experiences:

http://damnsmalllinux.org/cgi-bin....l;st=20
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Posted: Oct. 03 2004,21:58 QUOTE

Our posts may have crossed in the mail.
my minirt24.gz is not the right size on my usb pen drive install.
Is that what is wrong ?(part of it, anyway.)
Also, does the usb pen drive install script in 0.8.2 include the dos
setup discussed in your thread? I'm not sure if it does. Looking forward
to the next release of DSL 0.8.2.1? to see if there is such a new script.
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