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Posted: Oct. 26 2004,17:25 QUOTE

Another good source:
http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/index.html
I still haven't read half of it, but it's a great piece of documentation.  

I went from being terrified of commandline to prefering it in a couple of months.  Linux is definitely an adventure for anyone interested in learning.


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Posted: Oct. 26 2004,17:44 QUOTE

Thanks for the kind remarks, Woofy. As a developer DSL it is what keeps me going. I try to write mostly in scripting languages so that the "source" is "open" for all to see.
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Posted: Oct. 27 2004,06:28 QUOTE

Thanks again all - especially to John for starting the whole thing and to Roberts and the other developers for their generosity.

Advisory: readers under 40 should skip the next paragraph or two of (albeit early) middle aged rant.

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Caulktel, we're around the same age. I think we must maintain and believe that we are both far too young to start thinking of ourselves as too "old" to learn new tricks.  I know that if we allow ourselves to think that way then we might come to believe it, which is fatal.  Hell we're only barely middle aged! Many people our age are considered to be "at the peak of their careers".  Remember that the world is largely run by people our age and much older (which is not to say that they do a good job). Our cultures might be youth/beauty obsessed but the baby boomers (of which we're on the tail end) run things and control much or all of the the capital - although I personally don't control much I can tell you, and if I consider this the peak of my career then I don't have much to look forward to (which is also a fatal point of view).  And I have known, as the cliche goes, people at 18 who might as well have been 75, considering their mental ossification.

Technology may be tyrannically wielded by the very young, but many great artists, scientists and entrepreneurs only began to find their swing at our age or hadn't yet found it.  Don't forget the great late starters of history, compared to which we are still but young chickens eg here are a few http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/latestart.html

So fiddle-ee-dee, dagnabbit, dribble-drool, where's my blanket etc!!
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I agree that green screen DOS was an interest killer - it was for me also - but it's surprising how many whipper-snipper geek types actually like it, especially when considering the infinitely greater power available in the *nix shell.

The huge volume of bash stuff on google is perhaps one of the best reasons to learn to use it - there is so much stuff there. The man entries are often helpful although I'm sure others will agree this doesn't make the cryptic-and-often-perverse "sed" (of which there seems to be a thousand versions each with slightly differing syntax - grrrrrr!) any easier to figure out - the man entry for sed (which I think contains no examples) is next to useless.

Personally I have found a few urls especially good - I'll post these when I boot into dsl later as they are bookmarked within dillo.


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Posted: Oct. 27 2004,08:43 QUOTE

Caulktel -

If you're like me you may want to start with a basic overview that you can absorb in a few hours and start scripting, and then get into more detailed reference materials as you need them. Remember that you can just type a few bash lines straight into the shell to see how they work - you don't always have to save them as a script, chmod +w and run.

1. I began with the basic stuff at http://www.justlinux.com/nhf....ng.html

2. Then I looked at
http://mercury.chem.pitt.edu/~sasha....6.shtml
which is another brief overview but is slightly more advanced.

I liked both which is not to say that I have absorbed these completely yet.

3. More recently I've also been looking selectively as I need to at parts of
http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/bash.1.html
which appears to be the actual definition of bash.

PS: SaidinUnleashed and Mikshaw's urls above are really really excellent - I've just been going through bits of the former (love the Indian english!) -  but these are also possibly a bit daunting (as is 3 above) - if so you may wish to start with something like 1 and 2 above.

I mentioned the editior sed.  The following is very comprehensive but I'll probably be avoiding sed for the time being:

http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sedfaq.html
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Posted: Oct. 27 2004,11:49 QUOTE

mikshaw beat me to mentioning TLDP (a _very_ good bash scripting guide) which only takes a couple of hours to read.  There's also a reference to shell scripting for C programmers, (which makes more sense to me, your miles may vary).

There's a really good overview of sed at the seder's grab bag, which also happens to be located at the sed's sourceforge homepage.  Really though, you only need to learn enough sed and awk to get by, for everything else there's perl = ).

The way I learned a lot more than I wanted to know about bash scripting is to write blogging software (yes, again, I am whoring my shit).


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