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roberts Offline

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Posted: Jan. 24 2008,18:55 QUOTE

I don't know if they ever changed it, but every app started a new jvm. Therefore slow to start and heavy on the resources. There was third party software to try to share a jvm. But then wouldn't that like having to share your sandbox?

What I thought was cool about Java was Java Spaces, but then I found I could it in Ruby with rlinda.

Edited by roberts on Jan. 24 2008,18:57
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Posted: Jan. 24 2008,19:59 QUOTE

Quote (curaga @ Jan. 23 2008,10:40)
What's next, forced Flash 9 or you can't email? :p

Yep....TradeKing is requiring flash 9 for loggins beginning Feb 9th  (allegedly for security reasons)

...and don't forget to update...there's a new JAVA version just released. And for even more security, it will install Google seach bar at the same time by default...
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Posted: Jan. 25 2008,14:09 QUOTE

when java came out, it promised to be some sort of global
solution. but it turned out to be another 'basic' requiring it's
own runtime engine- what a con. so it tries to make up for it by employing
the backing of 'industry technologies'. i think it was
the hassle of setting up the development system, the license and
the fact that something written in java was not guaranteed to
run on all java systems/versions.
it just turned out to be a complete mess. i guess it's the
language i love to hate.

i would also send that bank a strong letter. if other companies don't need java,
what excuse have they got?
i'm thinking that the young programmers these days are forced into
java by the educational institutions, and carry it on to thier jobs.
so converting to java is way to make it easier on themselves.
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Posted: Jan. 25 2008,22:06 QUOTE

Thanks for sharing your views.

I've got an update to their reasoning. The java part would only be used on the client, thus the need for java on the client. And the alleged security increase in their FAQ is "using java helps keep your bank session off the computer's memory later", by which I guess they mean browsing history. That, the only reason they have provided, is so false. Even Internet Exploder doesn't save SSL encrypted pages to the history nor in caches by default, and no-one turns that switch on.

And, in the official press release, hidden deep in their site, they tell it's because a Danish company uses it, and that company bought them in Dec. Wow, what a great reason to do so!

I'm torn between my principles and economics. There is a part-ful solution, their XML interface for pda's and mobiles. It doesn't require java, not even after Feb, hopefully not ever. It's small, fast, text-only, but still lets do most important things like moving money around. Opera renders it quite nicely.

There's no such thing as life. Those mean little jocks invented it ;)
Windows is not a virus. A virus does something!
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Posted: Jan. 26 2008,00:34 QUOTE

Java seems to have found a very strong niche on cellphones.  Google Android is also built in java on top of linux., and there's some serious expertise going into that.  So it must have its appropriate use case I guess.

But what you're talking about is the forced  use of java on the desktop in order to access a service.  Just like we have to upgrade to flash9 for certain websites now.

At least we're (usually) not being forced to use IE anymore.  Not much of a consolation, but we have Firefox to thank for that.
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