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Posted: Oct. 12 2004,22:20 QUOTE

The "outdated" apps are there for less "equipped" users,
which have less hardware, little or no dialup/internet connectivity,
and require less "resource hungry" apps for their boxes..

For example, the firefox.uci/firefox.tar.gz extensions, while only
at 0.8 , are the ONLY versions of firefox which will run on 586's .
The firefox 0.9.3/1.0PR, etc.. require 686 or better processors .

and the newest "gaim" extension weighs in at a mere 20MB..
Far from the 3.4MB of the ayttm2.dsl ..
Gaim requires GTK2, ayttm and others are
happy and FAST with the older GTK1.2 standard..

DSL appeals to many users with 486/P5/P1 computers..

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Posted: Oct. 13 2004,22:03 QUOTE

I notice some of the mydsl extensions are .dsl, and others are .tar.gz
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Opera 6.12, which runs on both 586 and 686 machines, is given as
a .tar.gz file. Will the mydsl system use it like the .dsl extensions, or do
I, after download, place the file in say /opt, and gunzip it, and then tar -xvf it like I might do with a normal Opera .tar.gz of 6.03 or 6.12 from the Opera archives download site?
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Although I have remastered 0.8.2 to include Opera 6.03, (and a large number of Redhat 9 fonts to try and make it's fonts look better) I would
like to try this extension, and see what happens. I have a couple of other extensions, and I have them saved on my pen drive in /optional, (as done by the dsl system) and can easily load them into my running
dsl/remaster linux system.
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Posted: Oct. 13 2004,22:34 QUOTE

ALL of the extensions in the DSL repository work the same,
regardless of the .dsl or .tar.gz in the filename..

The .tar.gz files install to already writable areas of the filesystem.
The .dsl files create MORE writable space, by installing in areas
normally left non-writable..

Look in the /ramdisk directory after a fresh pristine boot.
You'll see only 3 or so directories..
After you install a .dsl file which writes to /usr /lib /etc and so on.
look again in the ramdisk..  you'll see many more directories in there.
This "expansion" of the ramdisk uses up more RAM , even if only
writing a few small files, because the 'housekeeping' of the larger
ramspace decreases your available ram by a much larger amount..
( even making the areas writable WITHOUT copying files into them eats ram.. )
So, whenever possible, .tar.gz's are more RAM friendly.
It really makes a difference on systems running w/32MB ram ..

So, the myDSL system uses the .tar.gz's just like .dsl's ..
One click install, and one click run..  
They are NOT tarballs, like you'll get at other repositories..
There is no reason to manipulate them manually...

With opera 6.12 , simply download into your /home/dsl directory
( the default ) , then open emelfm , highlight the file, and click
the myDSL button..  Icons and menus appear in your desktop..
Click & Run !

The Opera 6.12 runs well , even on my ram challenged systems..
I'd like to hear more about your "fonts'" addition..
Are you using the xft or pango/defoma to manage the fonts ?

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Posted: Oct. 14 2004,01:59 QUOTE

Well, I have wound up with a 80 MB + remaster, based on my additions of all of
the Redhat 9 fonts I could locate into my filesystem.
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I'm using 100 dpi fonts, and that has some difficulties, but overall, it is what I am
going with.
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I get fairly nice results in Gimp, but not good enough when I design web graphics
such as found at the top of my page here, done using Gimp on Mandrake 8:
http://www.geocities.com/rapidweather/web.html
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The same graphics done using my remaster still have some ragged edges, so,
"close, but no cigar."
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Here are the font directories from Redhat 9 that I used in my master copy:
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts
/etc/fonts
/usr/share/fonts
That is a lot of fonts, and I edited my /etc/X11/XF86Config to show the
paths to them. I also fixed the catalog line in /etc/X11/fs/config to show
them. I am up to "Beta 9" on my remaster of DSL 0.8.2, and I need to
go ahead and make the next Beta to show these two files as matching
perfectly, I have not yet done that, although the "master" has the changes
done. It's a long shot, but maybe that will do the trick as far as Gimp is
concerned, but I doubt it. There is always more to it than that. I looked at
http://keithp.com/~keithp/talks/xtc2001/paper/
when I saw your post, and I'm not up to designing my own setup, other than
the apparently "quick and dirty" method I am trying out.
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The results for Opera 6.03 have been very satisfactory, over when I got when
I added Opera and got it working normally, with only the stock DSL 0.8.2 fonts in place. Penalty, however, is the size of the remaster, over 80 MB.
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One little problem I had with /etc/X11/fs/config is the "default-point-size" line.
It's set at 120. I tried to change it to 100, remastered again, and didn't see any changes anywhere.
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Since I do have remasters that have no additional fonts other than the stock DSL 0.8.2 fonts, I thought I could download the Opera extension, save it on my pen drive, or HDD partition, and try it out. I believe that I saw some reference to fonts in the "info" on the mydsl repository for Opera:
Change-log:     08/13/2004 - First version
08/20/2004 - Bsetroot needs libXft.so.1
08/21/2004 - substituted libXft.so.1.1 - still bad fonts
               08/24/2004 - Added libXft.so.2.1.1 - :)
08/25/2004 - Made into .tar.gz
Maybe that is all I really need, rather than a massive dump of fonts
copied from my Redhat 9 partition, which is essentially what I have done.
When the Opera extension is up and running, I'll also try out Gimp again, and
see if the addition of libXft.so.2.2.1 helps. It just might, and I may dig that up
out of Redhat and drop it into my remaster. Can't hurt, and since I already have
a big size to it, one more won't matter. I can drop back to stock DSL fonts also, and make a remaster of that with libXft.so.2.2.1, and see what happens.
Apparently, that is what cbagger01 did when he made the Opera extension, so
it's worth trying. I use several partitions for remastering, so I can do that.
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