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friedgold

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Posted: Sep. 12 2005,23:32

Wow it seems this thread has stirred up quite a discussion.

-An idea about DSL was suggested.
-A number of problems with the idea were mentioned.
-It seemed like undertow was going to try answers these criticisms in the best way - by trying to code.

The critics of a uninstall system may be right. It may not be possible to add a uninstall system which is reliable, doesn't negatively impact Live CD usage and doesn't overcomplicate the extension system. If that is the case then undertow is likely to come to the same conclusion after actually trying out his ideas. Maybe you will be surprised and he will put together something which solves some of the issues you perceive. But why not let him try to produce something?

Maybe I'm reading the responses of 'Team DSL' incorrectly but it seems to me that they not only think it's a bad idea but would prefer the idea wasn't even explored at all in the forums. Posts like

ke4nt1's post:

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Team DSL is working on solutions for these items.. stay tuned.

Seeing as SaidinUnleashed subsequently admitted that the removal of extensions isn't being worked upon what does this mean? To me this reply seems to be a way to encourage people to wait passively to see what 'Team DSL' do instead of exploring the idea here on the forums.

Undertow's question: "does this mean that user contributions towards that idea are frowned upon?" was answered by SaidinUnleashed with:

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Overwriting internal DSL function scripts is not allowed in MyDSL extensions. Neither are script extensions. Extensions must be applications.

Should that be taken as a yes, user contributions on the idea are frowned upon? Because that's how I read this response.

Clivesay's post:

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If you roll out this process in these forums, people start to think this is a DSL supported process and then get frustrated if people don't answer their questions

So we can't talk about hacking the core functionality of DSL in the forums? If this is the case then partiticpation in these forums is a whole lot less attactive in my eyes. Threads discussing the inner workings of DSL/remastering/general DSL hacking are the most interesting to me. I hope I have read the responses of responses of 'Team DSL' incorrectly because otherwise this really saddens me.

mikshaw

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Posted: Sep. 13 2005,00:41

well, I'm going to guess that "Team DSL" doesn't want to have to deal with a pile of questions/criticisms from people who mistakenly believe that everything posted here is both supported and recommended by the developers of DSL. I can understand that. I also agree that Team DSL should not waste time working on redundant features.
However, I don't see any problem with people using these forums as a way to communicate ideas about various changes to DSL, regardless of whether they overwrite internal DSL functionality. I understand the desire to keep that sort of thing out of the DSL repository, but i don't think it's reasonable to stifle talk about such things....this is linux after all, which is all about customizing and hacking to make the system work for the user. While the dev team may not be interested in implementing certain features, this is a community of DSL users, many of whom want to share ideas regardless of whether or not they'd be officially supported.

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cbagger01

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Posted: Sep. 13 2005,15:33

I am not speaking for TeamDSL, but my guess is that they welcome experimenting by others and sharing of knowledge in the forums, because many ideas eventually find themselves incorporated later on into the livecd itself.

HOWEVER, they want to make sure that people don't confuse experimentation with supported functionality.

So a good working rule is:

Don't experiment in the WIKI or the doc site.
Don't expect the extension maintainer to approve extensions that customize DSL beyond what is needed to get an application up and running (IE: wrappers).

Seems reasonable to me.

I have yet to see someone prevented from experimenting and discussing it in the forums. So I am not worried right now.

undertow

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Posted: Sep. 13 2005,17:07

Team DSL is working on solutions for these items.. stay tuned.

Seeing as SaidinUnleashed subsequently admitted that the removal of extensions isn't being worked upon what does this mean?

^^anybody going to address this?

undertow

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Posted: Sep. 13 2005,17:41

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I'm not sure why you really want to pursue this unless you just want to see if you can do it.

?? are you serious?

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I think that your biggest misunderstanding is that you keep confusing the myDSL extension system with a traditional linux package management system like RPM or DEB/APT.... In fact, there are NO management controls that are designed into the extensions.

did you even read my initial posting?
im talking about using tar and xargs. look over it again. it obviously doesnt work, but its not far off. ke4nt acknowledged that it would work in some scenarios. If i thought .dsls were .debs, why would i be using tar?

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Hopefully, this makes some sense to you because I am running out of ways to explain it any better.

wow!

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