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Topic: Tweak for the "Getting Started" page, Solve the most repeated "help" request.

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Onikage
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Posted: Feb. 19 2006,08:05

Wow, another great guru arrives to shame me for pointing out that help files save time, and don't leap in your face...

I simply must be flogged for my audacity

As for my 'rudeness' since when does pointing out remarks such as:

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It also adds to the SSF (Smug Satisfaction Factor) for people who can now reply to the "help" posters with:

Did you actually READ the thing before asking here?

... I'm such a 'troll' for making remarks about such blatant statements like 'smug satisfaction factor'... How could I even think that such a statement could be rude?! That Onikage, such a bastard!

#######Read your own words Carpet Bagger######

To MS:

There was no name calling on my part... The word Ghoti is actually pronounced 'fish', and is a common topic in college communications courses... And that is what your avatar is, isn't it?.. A fish?

Now back to carpet bagger...

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In case you haven't noticed, no one here gets paid any real money to develop or support this distro, so I think that your assumption about "popularity" here being the ultimate measure of success is mistaken.

Yet again another almighty 'guru' has shown me the light! Pointing out words that I never even thought when I posted! This one must be so omniscient that I, was not aware of even my own thoughts!..

CB, take some time to READ before jumping to conclusions... I, actually took the time to read yours several times before posting... Or perhaps I am deluded and it took your almighty insight to show me the light!

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[Quote for incorrect advice on how to remove the popup deleted]

Once again, READ! I offered an alternative to those who actually have better things to do that spend a week trying to figure out how to tweak a file. For the linux newcomers, navigating directories and renaming/replacing a file is far easier than modifying files... Especially, when they probably haven't even seen so much as a batch file...

But hey, you know more than I do, oh wise carpet bagger...

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The folks who started this topic have better things to do with their time than answer the same questions over and over. Only a person who does not understand the meaning of the word "rude" would call this behavior to be rude.

Hmm... Repeated questions by users. Sounds like the way things are in IT to me. I mean why start a 'help' forum if that is not what it is intended to be?... And yes that kind of standoffish behavior IS rude, CB... So I will reiterate... Read your own posts... But then what do I know? After all I'm not an almighty guru like you are.

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Even when they are baited into an unsolicited argument by someone who thinks that they are a hero for protecting the poor ex-Windows users of the world from them rude helpful linux gurus.

You baited yourself when you started a post that pokes fun at newcomers... As for me, I am not pretending to be a champion for others... I didn't start a help forum that doesn't offer help freely... Hmm, free. Isn't that what Open Source is supposed to be all about? A free community where everyone helps each other to have reliable royalty-free software?...

Gee, I guess I've been so wrong for so long. How could I even dare to question the almighty, self-righteous Gods of the DSL world?...

Maybe, I did it because I haven't lost sight of the bigger picture!

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The useful master shares his teachings freely. Whereas the worthless master shares his teachings while making his student feel worthless.

pr0f3550r

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Posted: Feb. 19 2006,15:08

Don't feed the troll!

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THE QEMU FORUM: http://qemu.dad-answers.com/index.php

QEMU ON WINDOWS: http://www.h7.dion.ne.jp/~qemu-win/

How to use floppy, CD-ROM and hard disk - http://www.h7.dion.ne.jp/~qemu-win/HowToFloppyCdrom-en.html

How to use network - http://www.h7.dion.ne.jp/~qemu-win/HowToNetwork-en.html

cbagger01

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Posted: Feb. 19 2006,21:24

I know I shouldn't do this, but I'm still having fun so here goes...

Smug Satistfaction Factor is what is known as HUMOR. It is an attempt to diffuse the frustration that some people feel here when they feel like they have to answer the same question for the 50th time. And by the way, "50th time" is NOT hyperbole. Some of these questions have REALLY been answered that often.

If you find my attempts at HUMOR to be "rude" even though the post was directed at the DEVELOPERS and not directly at a specific newbie, then yet again I am at a loss to understand what your interpretation of "rude" is supposed to be.

Let my try to make you understand once again, even though I know in advance that this will be a futile effort:

Insulting a specific person directly without justification = Rude

Making humorous remarks to express solidarity with other people who are sometimes frustrated by the inability of some unmentioned new users to help themselves = Not Rude

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Read the forum name listed above. It's called "DSL Ideas and Suggestions". It is NOT a help forum. The post was directed at the developers of the distro. Why you can't get this through your skull is beyond me. As for the state of IT help desks, I am sure that if you asked most help desk staff about their frustrations with these questions, they would agree with my sentiment. And almost nobody that participated in this hypothetical discussion would consider the expressions of agreement to be considered "rude".

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I'm sorry, I guessed I missed the part where I said "Please argue with me and the intended receipients of the suggested functionality change to the getting started popup and call me rude". If I REALLY wanted to bait someone else into an argument, you and everyone else will know about it. For example, try reading up on the whole 60Hz refresh rate issue if you need clarification on what constitutes "baiting" on my part.

As for the "Open Source Movement" line, I always get a kick out of the people who expect others to provide them (out of the goodness of their hearts) with prompt service, responsive functionality changes for new releases, courteous responses and the like and get pissed off when somebody doesn't help them out within an hour or two of posting. They always play the "Open Source Community" card, just like you are doing now.

News Flash:

"Open Source" is not a movement like the Civil Rights Movement or the Peace Movement. It is merely a philosophy about how programming development should be done.

Depending on the terms of your software license, you can write "Open Source" software from scratch that is NOT free or even not require distributing the source code to anyone besides the people who purchased your software. You can charge people for the software and even restrict how they can use the source code or even the software itself. Even the VERY open GPL does not require you to distribute the source code unless you decide to distribute the compiled binary to other parties outside of your own team or organization.

The truth is that Open Source software development has inspired people to create a community to provide help and improvements. And this is a good thing.

But it is not a "requirement" of Open Source software projects any more than a newspaper owner who believes in "Freedom of the press" is required to publish any village idiot's opinions on the front page for no charge.

green

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Posted: Feb. 20 2006,02:32

I don't mind feeding the troll.
Onikage, stick with windows,.... is suits your mentality.

....Ok, now say more mean and nasty things.....

Onikage
Unregistered

Posted: Feb. 20 2006,23:18

Three gleeful gurus here to chastise me yet again for having an opinion... I guess only the guru's are allowed to express an opinion.

Green:

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I don't mind feeding the troll.
Onikage, stick with windows,.... is suits your mentality.

....Ok, now say more mean and nasty things.....

When did I state anything nasty?! You are yet another to point out things I have not said... I guess all guru's here must be able to speak for me... As stated before... read.

CB:

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Smug Satistfaction Factor is what is known as HUMOR. It is an attempt to diffuse the frustration that some people feel here when they feel like they have to answer the same question for the 50th time. And by the way, "50th time" is NOT hyperbole. Some of these questions have REALLY been answered that often.

If you find my attempts at HUMOR to be "rude" even though the post was directed at the DEVELOPERS and not directly at a specific newbie, then yet again I am at a loss to understand what your interpretation of "rude" is supposed to be.

also:

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Insulting a specific person directly without justification = Rude

Making humorous remarks to express solidarity with other people who are sometimes frustrated by the inability of some unmentioned new users to help themselves = Not Rude

A guru that admits to not being omniscient... Honesty! I like that! I shall share with you now...

Per http://www.dictionary.com

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rude...
adj.

Lacking the graces and refinement of civilized life; uncouth.

also,

Anything that manipulates a shared resource without regard
for its other users in such a way as to cause a (non-fatal)
problem.

A forum (unlike the topic title: DSL Ideas and Suggestions) IS a shared resource which anyone (newcomers included) have access to... This 'solidarity' topic you started should have been kepr private... Email works.

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As for the state of IT help desks, I am sure that if you asked most help desk staff about their frustrations with these questions, they would agree with my sentiment. And almost nobody that participated in this hypothetical discussion would consider the expressions of agreement to be considered "rude".

That may be; but none of those staff members would share their 'sentiments' with someone that they're helping. For if they did, they wouldn't last long at what they do (even if it's as a unpaid forum).

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As for the "Open Source Movement" line, I always get a kick out of the people who expect others to provide them (out of the goodness of their hearts) with prompt service, responsive functionality changes for new releases, courteous responses and the like and get pissed off when somebody doesn't help them out within an hour or two of posting. They always play the "Open Source Community" card, just like you are doing now.

Do you not know how to read carpet bagger? I never said anything about a 'movement'. I stated about freedeom. I also never said anything about speedy responses... The guru yet again tries to speak for me... If you would take the time to read anything that I've posted, you would not veer from the subject by trying to attack things I have not inserted into my posts... Yet I applaud you for your attempt to avoid the direct dispute

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News Flash:

"Open Source" is not a movement like the Civil Rights Movement or the Peace Movement. It is merely a philosophy about how programming development should be done.

Depending on the terms of your software license, you can write "Open Source" software from scratch that is NOT free or even not require distributing the source code to anyone besides the people who purchased your software. You can charge people for the software and even restrict how they can use the source code or even the software itself. Even the VERY open GPL does not require you to distribute the source code unless you decide to distribute the compiled binary to other parties outside of your own team or organization.

The truth is that Open Source software development has inspired people to create a community to provide help and improvements. And this is a good thing.

But it is not a "requirement" of Open Source software projects any more than a newspaper owner who believes in "Freedom of the press" is required to publish any village idiot's opinions on the front page for no charge.

Good speech! I think old long gone, Honest Abe would be jealous. I'm touched that you've admitted that this forum (which a forum is an online community) was developed to provide "help" and improvements!

Yet, the inserts about software licensing and there being no requirement to have communities (forums) is simply bunk to avoid the main dispute here. This is still about rudeness that does not belong on a shared resource such as this forum... Yet I did appreciate the quip about publishing village idiot's opinions... Please oh great guru Carpet bagger, flog me some more with your rapier wit! For each time you do, you are simply proving my point all that much more. :;):

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The useful master shares his teachings freely. Whereas the worthless master shares his teachings while making his student feel worthless.

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