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lucky13

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Posted: June 30 2008,18:27

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maybe my input

That wasn't input. Input is productive, and the crap you keep pulling isn't.

edit: From now on, I'll only submit to MyDSL upon request and for payment of a bounty. Terms and conditions are negotiable and highly subjective and will fluctuate on any whim. For most of you, a small donation well within your means to another fine project used by DSL (like OpenSSH) will suffice. It will cost certain people a lot more than others -- there's a price for getting on my bad side. So if you're not prepared to pay up, just shut up.

Starting price for anything meo wants or whines about: $1000/LOC, payable to OpenSSH or to the orphanage (edit: and other children programs in Uganda) vim supports.

links:
http://www.openssh.org/donations.html
http://iccf-holland.org/

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meo

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Posted: June 30 2008,19:02

Hi!

Then it won't follow the GPL license i presume. But that, I guess, you learned from your discussion with John Murga.

Have fun all you who impartially really wants to help out in this community (without charge),
meo

PS Would you give me credit for quoting me in your id string all the time? I guess not!? DS

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lucky13

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Posted: June 30 2008,20:08

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Then it won't follow the GPL license i presume.

The three projects mentioned in this thread are OpenSSH, OpenSSL, and zlib. None of these three is licensed under GPL. None forbids the sale of software, and, in fact, all allow their code to be used in proprietary software. I also said that I would allow the Ugandan project sponsored by Bram Moolenaar of vim, and vim isn't GPL.

It doesn't surprise me that you don't "get it" wrt what happened last week about the reconfigured runtime offered under a free license but whose developer wants to attach strings. Like that developer, you obviously don't understand GPL. You also seem to be operating under a false premise that "free" software cannot be sold. You are, as usual, very mistaken. The GPL allows it and the FSF encourages it because "free" software isn't about cost but about freedom: "...we encourage people who redistribute free software to charge as much as they wish or can.... the GNU General Public License (GNU GPL) has no requirements about how much you can charge for distributing a copy of free software. You can charge nothing, a penny, a dollar, or a billion dollars."
http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/selling.html

Read that and then come back and apologize for being such a dunderhead in public.

I have no qualms about soliciting money, whether it's an obscene amount from you personally or much less from anyone else, for the two projects I mentioned above. Both are already used in DSL. DSL has benefited from and continues to benefit by having OpenSSH and vim (even if it's an older tiny version) in its base.

I can further justify it on the grounds that most of my extension submissions have come from requests from others that I make available what I already have. I've also gone out of my way to contribute to the community. I place a high value on my time and I'd like to see any "bounty" have the greatest possible benefit. If it can benefit projects that already benefit the DSL community and will continue to do so, who are you to complain? It only shows what a demanding little ingrate you really are that you'd object to something that benefits all of us.

(Edited FSF quote and amended my terms for compiling extensions for meo; the price for meo is now US$1 billion payable to Theo of OpenSSH or vim's charity in Uganda. I'll even let meo split the billion between those two projects.)

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meo

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Posted: June 30 2008,21:14

Hello!

That was quite a response for a "oneliner" post. I (like you) was referring to MyDSL extensions in general. Wasn't that what you mentioned?

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From now on, I'll only submit to MyDSL upon request and for payment of a bounty

And the credit for quoting me in your id line was just a request in the form of a question. You really have the ability to twist everything that someone posts. It reminds me of someone that also twisted quotes to his own liking. But my original post is there for anyone to see and in it's proper context. Frankly I don't think that you'll get that many requests for MyDSL extensions and certainly not from me. I'm just wondering honestly how I managed to get, as you say, "on your bad side". To me it seems that you are exaggerating a lot when it comes to others but being very mild when it comes to yourself and what you are posting. That's my sincere opinion and then you wonder why a lot of members of this community doesn't like you. Well, usually you get treated as you treat others. This makes me wonder why it's only you that treat me in the manner that this and other threads show. I think I know why but I won't make any psychoanalysis now, I'll just get out of your hair (for now at least).

Have fun everybody that is prepared to help others without charge,
meo

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lucky13

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Posted: June 30 2008,21:39

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...then you wonder why a lot of members of this community doesn't like you.

No, I don't wonder about that at all. We live in an increasingly feminized, relativistic culture where those who have strong opinions and convictions are treated with derision and contempt by those whose opinions are much less sure (or, rather, who are much less willing to offer strong opinions except as it relates to derision of others). In saying that, I already know which side I'm on and I already know which side you're on. I'm comfortable with that. Very comfortable.

Just remember you're the one who bitched about "a lot of talk" instead of tackling it yourself if you want it. And if you don't, you're still the one bitching about it. Maybe you should just deal with your own shortcomings instead of worrying or talking about mine.

Edit... just so you won't remain in mouth-breathing suspense. Well, in suspense anyway.

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I'm just wondering honestly how I managed to get, as you say, "on your bad side".

See the quote in my signature? Do you remember your juvenile antics in connection with all that? Or are you guilty of the same thing you accuse me -- of twisting words, etc.?

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