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1  Damn Small Linux / User Feedback / Re: DSL revival? on: March 27, 2014, 03:35:17 PM
For my part, what I see as the most urgent upgrade to be done is with respect to the browser (Bon Echo in this case) because, probably, is the most used application whenever a person turns on a computer. In my case I've a lot of difficulty or am unable to read my yahoo emails from my current version, which traditionally, has been the first task to be done; then, there comes the rest...
2  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / Re: Can't connect to the internet (dhcp) at a VAIO VGN AR250G Notebook + 512MB RAM on: August 17, 2013, 01:48:55 PM
Your 1st assumption is correct as is the 2nd one, CNK.

You also can assume that for our communications to take effect I'm using another distro: PL528. While working from my puppy I made a copy of this last message of yours & put it at sda2's root with the purpose of reading it while at DSL. It didn't work ok because DSL couldn't find it. I returned to puppy & moved it to sda1's root. It didn't work, neither. I the moved it to the KNOPPIX folder there but obtained the same results. I then checked the file's permissions & changed it so the whole world could read it, this time I was allowed to see it from DSL: a good lesson learned here. After issuing the command from DSL & saving its output & been working now from puppy I cannot find it nowhere: lesson forgotten? Probably.

I must redo everything again in order to insert that with my response below.

dsl@box:~$ ifconfig eth0
ifconfig: eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found
dsl@box:~$ ifconfig     
lo        Link encap:Local Loopback 
          inet addr:  Mask:
          UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
          RX packets:73 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:73 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
          RX bytes:40954 (39.9 KiB)  TX bytes:40954 (39.9 KiB)


3  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / Can't connect to the internet (dhcp) at a VAIO VGN AR250G Notebook + 512MB RAM on: August 12, 2013, 06:06:28 PM
After finally been able to boot DSL 4.10 or above at this notebook, contrary to what happens at an HP with DSL 4.2? (old versioon ~2005) that boots from a pendrive & gets connected automatically, here I can't find a way to get connected even though the dsl-modem is 'connected' before starting to boot DSL (frugal).

It might be a cheatcode that's lacking at menu.lst or a misunderstanding of the panel at DSL for configuration.

I also had a problem establishing a backup for general configurations that I think I already solved but I've to reboot for been certain of that. I think that there's something to be added to the menu.lst file at the "boot" line for restoring that backup.

A little help is needed with these, thanks for your efforts with the community!
4  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / Re: How to boot DSL using grub - frugal? on: August 12, 2013, 12:58:23 PM
Thanks very much for your support CNK!

 Now that I introduced the last changes as you mentioned above finally DSL booted up normally. I liked the desktop it shows very much, as well as the group of icons on the it. I haven't tried it fully yet & didn't make a backup, I tried it but failed to put the info it required there because I was in a hurry & had to go. Today, I'm going to try again with more calm.

I don't know if I'm going to encounter more issues in relation to DSL but if I do, do you think is better to start another thread for it/them? How should I mark this issue as SOLVED? By adding the word SOLVED to the Subject line?

Thanks again, CNK, for your great help!
5  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / Re: How to boot DSL using grub - frugal? on: August 11, 2013, 05:55:29 PM
Thanks for the info CNK! I already made the changes to menu.lst you mentioned. Now all that's needed is to reboot & try it...

In relation to your last paragraph I'm afraid I don't understand it. I mentioned loadlin just because I've read about it & DSL is a linux OS & because it might have some other tricks for making DSL boot on my hardware. Did I understood your point correct? Not that I'm about to start that route now; still not finished with my grub trials.
6  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / Re: How to boot DSL using grub - frugal? on: August 10, 2013, 06:55:45 PM
I found near the iso file I'm using for booting DSL that I had another DSL iso ending with initrd in its name. Its' version is 1 or 2 steps behind the one I'm trying to boot now. I put it besides the other one but I think that just been sitting there won't make any diference. Nevertheless, I can extract its' contents and substitute the present one with this, that's if you think it might help on this. What do you say?

Also, is it too diferent/dificult to boot from the iso file directly? I've read that it can be done. Do you think that's a good second choice? Maybe first choice?

Thanks for any tips on this.
7  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / Re: How to boot DSL using grub - frugal? on: August 07, 2013, 04:33:17 PM
After having read some info at some web pages I decided to format that partition as ext2 because it was advisable for DSL. I already have there the necessary files/folders & re-configured the menu.lst file to fit these other circumstances. After booting up I ended with a "limited console only", again...

My DSL section from the grub config file is shown below:

"# 7) Linux bootable partition config begins
  title Damn Small Linux 4.4
#  frugal in sda2 dir dsl
  root (hd0,0)
#  rootnoverify (hd0,1)
  kernel /isolinux/linux24 root=/sda1/isolinux/dsl knoppix_dir=/KNOPPIX knoppix_name=KNOPPIX
#  kernel /dsl/linux24 root=/dev/sda2/dsl knoppix_dir=/dsl/KNOPPIX knoppix_name=KNOPPIX frugal sata
  initrd /isolinux/minirt24.gz
# Linux bootable partition config ends"

I also tried it after editing at boot time, with the following cut: /sda1 at the kernel line & at the 'root' entry with the same results.

I'm out of ideas now... Could things be different if I format the partition as FAT32? What if I just put the iso as it's right there only, because I've read somewhere that both, DSL can be booted up from the iso file as well as that grub can boot an iso image?

Apart from the above, and before doing anything as mentioned there, is there something you can see that could be tweaked at the menu.lst file?

Thanks CNK for your follow up with this!
8  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / Re: How to boot DSL using grub - frugal? on: August 04, 2013, 03:27:02 AM
Thanks for replying CNK! Specially interesting is what you state in relation to that limited console.

I'm about to test something now so I'll edit this post later to complete it.

Edit: I decided to make some basic changes to my approach. I already shrank my Ist partition to 8 GB with the intention of putting in there DSL only (still ntfs). While reading a wiki on this they were using loadlin as a loader & a FAT32 fs & including dos there. By my part, it made me think of including at that partition, if at all advisable/possible, freedos. This last possibility restricts the possible fss that can be used there; which brings me back to what is more important to me right now: what fs is better for booting up DSL frugally? If it can hold freedos, better.
9  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / Re: How to boot DSL using grub - frugal? on: August 03, 2013, 03:27:27 PM
Thanks CNK! I think I should re-state, this time correctly, what the message I receive after booting dsl is: "Can't find knoppix filesystem".

After the process is complete & I'm facing that limited console, am I looking/using a limited dsl OS or this's something grub gives me as 'something to work with'? I think if it's the former then grub indeed found dsl's folder, if not then I've been confused & wrong all the time...
10  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / Re: How to boot DSL using grub - frugal? on: August 01, 2013, 05:15:59 PM
Thanks for replying, CNK & james c!

I've failed to check out that BIOS emulation thing but I'll do at next boot. I'm glad you clarify the # usage at a grub line, I wasn't sure that it was going to work but decided to try it out in the open in hope if it wasn't used correctly someone like you would state so.

Before trying the latest changes to the menu.lst file but with the expression after the '#' still present there I received the error message: cannot find knoppix... or something very much like that.

If this fail again I've thought of examine all the possibilities, one by one, until something different happens. I'm talking about of taking each grub entry line, see what might be brought in that's new, try it until I've to jump to the next line; repeating the process all over again until all the possibilities are exausted. But for now I'm glad that I've both of you to follow...
11  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / Re: How to boot DSL using grub - frugal? on: July 30, 2013, 03:51:58 PM
Right now I'm running with PL528 &, when I changed/introduce that line starting with "ide", I must have been using probably another distro, so I didn't find in my web-history anything in relation to the page where I took that advise from. In any case I put it there because it was stated that certain VAIO laptops required this.

I also went to the site you specified for grubs' manual & browsed extensively but failed to see anything in relation to the above. I bookmarked the page for later study. I did removed the entry from menu.lst.

In relation to the "fromhd" part, I do have an iso file at sda5 which I might try to boot as a cd image (newest DSL version, if I'm not wrong). But I won't do it, for now.

I re-introduced the changes you propose after previously deleting them, one by one. I'll show my final menu.lst file below (I re-checked the paths to the required files & they seem to be correct):

# 7) Linux bootable partition config begins
  title Damn Small Linux frugal in sda2 dir dsl
  rootnoverify (hd0,1)
  kernel /dsl/linux24 root=/dev/sda2 knoppix_dir=dsl/KNOPPIX knoppix_name=dsl/KNOPPIX/KNOPPIX frugal sata #home=dsl restore=dsl  ro
  initrd /dsl/minirt24.gz
# Linux bootable partition config ends

Now, my area of interest looks like this:

.     automake     dev     initrd     lost+found     opt     root     selinux     tmp     var
..     bin     etc     lib     mnt     proc     sbin     sys       usr
___.     home     sda1     sdd1     +mnt+home+puppy528-005+virtualbox-4.1.14.sfs     sda5
___..     sr0
______.     fonts     netbootmein     puppystudio     wary512_empty     general_downloads
______..     puppy511     SAVEMARK     boot     java       puppy525     Slacko-5.5.4G     dsl
______lost+found     puppy528-005     VirtualBox
_________.     german.kbd     netbootme.iso     gpxe.krn     netbootme.usb     1st-boot.bat
_________..     isolinux.bin     pendrive-bat.old     autorun.inf       isolinux.cfg     qemu
_________boot.cat       KNOPPIX       readme.txt     boot.msg     ldlinux.sys     RECYCLER
_________dsl-base-bat.old     linux24       Shortcut to EXPERIMENTO (E).lnk
_________dsl-vhd-bat.old     logo.16     syslinux.cfg     f2     minirt24.gz     variousfiles
_________f3     netbootme.dsk

In any case, the ouput from ls -R follows:

sh-4.1# ls -R
1st-boot.bat     gpxe.krn    netbootme.iso
autorun.inf     isolinux.bin    netbootme.usb
boot.cat     isolinux.cfg    pendrive-bat.old
boot.msg     KNOPPIX    qemu
dsl-base-bat.old  ldlinux.sys    readme.txt
dsl-vhd-bat.old   linux24    RECYCLER
f2        logo.16    Shortcut to EXPERIMENTO (E).lnk
f3        minirt24.gz    syslinux.cfg
german.kbd     netbootme.dsk  variousfiles


bios.bin  License     qemu.exe   sdl.dll      vgabios-cirrus.bin
fmod.dll  linux_boot.bin  qemu-img.exe   vgabios.bin

license  README-SDL.txt  readme.txt


Desktop.ini  Regv.exe

gtktetris  gtktetris-0.6.2-pup4.files  gtktetris.desktop

Hope I haven't introduced any more errors nor confusion!
12  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / Re: How to boot DSL using grub - frugal? on: July 29, 2013, 06:17:58 PM
Thanks for replying, CNK, very interesting!

So, the BIOS is still working in a dormant state (standby) or simply terminated after a modern linux OS is up. In any case, grub is indeed a running program for the initial states and not simply a set of scripts to be followed by another program. In fact, if I understood you correctly, it does both things: executes instructions as well as passes data to another program (the OS).

I already took care of the initrd entry thing at menu.lst you mentioned. Working from memory, I also took out all the leading "/" characters after the "=" signs that appear at the kernel line. Now my entries look like this:

# 7) Linux bootable partition config begins
  title Damn Small Linux frugal in sda2 dir dsl
  rootnoverify (hd0,1)
  kernel /dsl/linux24 fromhd=dev/sda2 home=dsl restore=dsl root=dsl ro lang=us frugal sata
  initrd /dsl/minirt24.gz
# Linux bootable partition config ends

If it keeps doing a partial boot up I'm planning to insert little modifications to the kernel line (making annotations of what I'm doing) and, in the case something different happens, I'll post that here.

One of the first things I'm considering to eliminate is that of "fromhd=dev/sda2", starting with its 'dev/' part.

Modification (Edit): After deleting each at a time [dev/ - fromhd=sda2 - restore=dsl - home=dsl] I always ended up with that limited dsl console version. Strange things indeed happen!
13  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / Re: How to boot DSL using grub - frugal? on: July 26, 2013, 04:42:58 PM
After introducing all the changes last posted I received a "file nor found" error. It kept appearing even after deleting (progressively) each of the changes presented (from the grub editor).

It could help me more (possibly) to know how grub really works; is it just passing along certain data in a certain format for the kernel to understand or it serves as a deeper layer (at least until the boot process is finished)?

One source of confussion in my case surges after comparing the lines starting with kernel, let say DSL entry #7 & Puppy Studio entry #6. pmedia=atahd & psubdir=puppystudio at the #6 entry serve well its purpose but the related entries at the DSL #7 entry, doesn't have a close representation. It appears to be more intricate & specific/detailed to a lower or basic level. Is this due to specific demands of the OS's kernel?
14  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / Re: How to boot DSL using grub - frugal? on: July 25, 2013, 04:16:56 PM
I revisited the wiki page you mentioned at a previous post & decided to introduce some changes in the light that, after the minor changes last introduced, the boot process gave me the same result.

I've a doubt in relation to the section there titled "Other boot labels". I want to add <ide1=0x180,0x386> label appearing at almost the end of the table because I'm using a VAIO but don't know if it has to go before the kernel line or right after it (first guess is to put it before, but I'm commenting it for now).

See below for some other entries in my menu.lst file that are working OK:

# 5) Linux bootable partition config begins
#  title Puppy Wary 512 frugal in sda2 dir wary-512
#  rootnoverify (hd0,1)
#  kernel /wary-512/vmlinuz pmedia=atahd psubdir=wary-512 acpi=off
#  initrd /wary-512/initrd.gz
# Linux bootable partition config ends
# 6) Linux bootable partition config begins
  title Puppy Studio frugal in sda2 dir puppystudio
  rootnoverify (hd0,1)
  kernel /puppystudio/vmlinuz pmedia=atahd psubdir=puppystudio
  initrd /puppystudio/initrd.gz
# Linux bootable partition config ends
# 7) Linux bootable partition config begins
  title Damn Small Linux frugal in sda2 dir dsl
  rootnoverify (hd0,1)
#  ide1=0x180,0x386 
  kernel /dsl/linux24 root=/dev/sda2/dsl froomhd=/dev/sda2 knoppix_dir=dev/sda2/dsl knoppix_name=KNOPPIX ro lang=us restore=/dev/sda2 toram frugal sata
  initrd /dev/sda2/dsl/minirt24.gz
# Linux bootable partition config ends

Thanks for your support, CNK!
15  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / Re: How to boot DSL using grub - frugal? on: July 20, 2013, 12:48:51 PM
After trying to boot with the changes in the last post in effect I got farther in my quest. I finished with a very limited shell (text only environment). But, probably, the most important thing is the message I saw at the screen then:

Can't find KNOPPIX filesystem, sorry.
Dropping you to a (very limited) Shell.
Press reset button to quit.
Additional builtin commands available: cat insmod mount umount rmmod lsmod

I never saw the said "reset" button, so I pressed the Power button to force a shutdown sequence.

After getting this message I tried various things at the menu.lst line starting with "initrd /dsl...", thinking that this part was the one grub was trying to execute for finding 'KNOPPIX', I inserted {/hda2} in front of /dsl, with the same result. Then added {/dev} in front of hda2 but still obtained the same thing.

Any clue(s) as to what might be happenning?

PS. At the top of the page I saw a message in relation to VFS & to check the filesystem. It's curious but the day before I received a message from another forum that advised me to run <fsck> due to another distro's inability to boot, I checked it & it showed no problem, so I'm disregarding this message, for now.
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