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16  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / Re: How to boot DSL using grub - frugal? on: July 30, 2013, 03:51:58 PM
Right now I'm running with PL528 &, when I changed/introduce that line starting with "ide", I must have been using probably another distro, so I didn't find in my web-history anything in relation to the page where I took that advise from. In any case I put it there because it was stated that certain VAIO laptops required this.

I also went to the site you specified for grubs' manual & browsed extensively but failed to see anything in relation to the above. I bookmarked the page for later study. I did removed the entry from menu.lst.

In relation to the "fromhd" part, I do have an iso file at sda5 which I might try to boot as a cd image (newest DSL version, if I'm not wrong). But I won't do it, for now.

I re-introduced the changes you propose after previously deleting them, one by one. I'll show my final menu.lst file below (I re-checked the paths to the required files & they seem to be correct):

# 7) Linux bootable partition config begins
  title Damn Small Linux frugal in sda2 dir dsl
  rootnoverify (hd0,1)
  kernel /dsl/linux24 root=/dev/sda2 knoppix_dir=dsl/KNOPPIX knoppix_name=dsl/KNOPPIX/KNOPPIX frugal sata #home=dsl restore=dsl  ro
  initrd /dsl/minirt24.gz
# Linux bootable partition config ends

Now, my area of interest looks like this:

.     automake     dev     initrd     lost+found     opt     root     selinux     tmp     var
..     bin     etc     lib     mnt     proc     sbin     sys       usr
___.     home     sda1     sdd1     +mnt+home+puppy528-005+virtualbox-4.1.14.sfs     sda5
___..     sr0
______.     fonts     netbootmein     puppystudio     wary512_empty     general_downloads
______..     puppy511     SAVEMARK     boot     java       puppy525     Slacko-5.5.4G     dsl
______lost+found     puppy528-005     VirtualBox
_________.     german.kbd     netbootme.iso     gpxe.krn     netbootme.usb     1st-boot.bat
_________..     isolinux.bin     pendrive-bat.old     autorun.inf       isolinux.cfg     qemu
_________boot.cat       KNOPPIX       readme.txt     boot.msg     ldlinux.sys     RECYCLER
_________dsl-base-bat.old     linux24       Shortcut to EXPERIMENTO (E).lnk
_________dsl-vhd-bat.old     logo.16     syslinux.cfg     f2     minirt24.gz     variousfiles
_________f3     netbootme.dsk

In any case, the ouput from ls -R follows:

sh-4.1# ls -R
1st-boot.bat     gpxe.krn    netbootme.iso
autorun.inf     isolinux.bin    netbootme.usb
boot.cat     isolinux.cfg    pendrive-bat.old
boot.msg     KNOPPIX    qemu
dsl-base-bat.old  ldlinux.sys    readme.txt
dsl-vhd-bat.old   linux24    RECYCLER
f2        logo.16    Shortcut to EXPERIMENTO (E).lnk
f3        minirt24.gz    syslinux.cfg
german.kbd     netbootme.dsk  variousfiles


bios.bin  License     qemu.exe   sdl.dll      vgabios-cirrus.bin
fmod.dll  linux_boot.bin  qemu-img.exe   vgabios.bin

license  README-SDL.txt  readme.txt


Desktop.ini  Regv.exe

gtktetris  gtktetris-0.6.2-pup4.files  gtktetris.desktop

Hope I haven't introduced any more errors nor confusion!
17  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / Re: How to boot DSL using grub - frugal? on: July 29, 2013, 06:17:58 PM
Thanks for replying, CNK, very interesting!

So, the BIOS is still working in a dormant state (standby) or simply terminated after a modern linux OS is up. In any case, grub is indeed a running program for the initial states and not simply a set of scripts to be followed by another program. In fact, if I understood you correctly, it does both things: executes instructions as well as passes data to another program (the OS).

I already took care of the initrd entry thing at menu.lst you mentioned. Working from memory, I also took out all the leading "/" characters after the "=" signs that appear at the kernel line. Now my entries look like this:

# 7) Linux bootable partition config begins
  title Damn Small Linux frugal in sda2 dir dsl
  rootnoverify (hd0,1)
  kernel /dsl/linux24 fromhd=dev/sda2 home=dsl restore=dsl root=dsl ro lang=us frugal sata
  initrd /dsl/minirt24.gz
# Linux bootable partition config ends

If it keeps doing a partial boot up I'm planning to insert little modifications to the kernel line (making annotations of what I'm doing) and, in the case something different happens, I'll post that here.

One of the first things I'm considering to eliminate is that of "fromhd=dev/sda2", starting with its 'dev/' part.

Modification (Edit): After deleting each at a time [dev/ - fromhd=sda2 - restore=dsl - home=dsl] I always ended up with that limited dsl console version. Strange things indeed happen!
18  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / Re: How to boot DSL using grub - frugal? on: July 26, 2013, 04:42:58 PM
After introducing all the changes last posted I received a "file nor found" error. It kept appearing even after deleting (progressively) each of the changes presented (from the grub editor).

It could help me more (possibly) to know how grub really works; is it just passing along certain data in a certain format for the kernel to understand or it serves as a deeper layer (at least until the boot process is finished)?

One source of confussion in my case surges after comparing the lines starting with kernel, let say DSL entry #7 & Puppy Studio entry #6. pmedia=atahd & psubdir=puppystudio at the #6 entry serve well its purpose but the related entries at the DSL #7 entry, doesn't have a close representation. It appears to be more intricate & specific/detailed to a lower or basic level. Is this due to specific demands of the OS's kernel?
19  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / Re: How to boot DSL using grub - frugal? on: July 25, 2013, 04:16:56 PM
I revisited the wiki page you mentioned at a previous post & decided to introduce some changes in the light that, after the minor changes last introduced, the boot process gave me the same result.

I've a doubt in relation to the section there titled "Other boot labels". I want to add <ide1=0x180,0x386> label appearing at almost the end of the table because I'm using a VAIO but don't know if it has to go before the kernel line or right after it (first guess is to put it before, but I'm commenting it for now).

See below for some other entries in my menu.lst file that are working OK:

# 5) Linux bootable partition config begins
#  title Puppy Wary 512 frugal in sda2 dir wary-512
#  rootnoverify (hd0,1)
#  kernel /wary-512/vmlinuz pmedia=atahd psubdir=wary-512 acpi=off
#  initrd /wary-512/initrd.gz
# Linux bootable partition config ends
# 6) Linux bootable partition config begins
  title Puppy Studio frugal in sda2 dir puppystudio
  rootnoverify (hd0,1)
  kernel /puppystudio/vmlinuz pmedia=atahd psubdir=puppystudio
  initrd /puppystudio/initrd.gz
# Linux bootable partition config ends
# 7) Linux bootable partition config begins
  title Damn Small Linux frugal in sda2 dir dsl
  rootnoverify (hd0,1)
#  ide1=0x180,0x386 
  kernel /dsl/linux24 root=/dev/sda2/dsl froomhd=/dev/sda2 knoppix_dir=dev/sda2/dsl knoppix_name=KNOPPIX ro lang=us restore=/dev/sda2 toram frugal sata
  initrd /dev/sda2/dsl/minirt24.gz
# Linux bootable partition config ends

Thanks for your support, CNK!
20  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / Re: How to boot DSL using grub - frugal? on: July 20, 2013, 12:48:51 PM
After trying to boot with the changes in the last post in effect I got farther in my quest. I finished with a very limited shell (text only environment). But, probably, the most important thing is the message I saw at the screen then:

Can't find KNOPPIX filesystem, sorry.
Dropping you to a (very limited) Shell.
Press reset button to quit.
Additional builtin commands available: cat insmod mount umount rmmod lsmod

I never saw the said "reset" button, so I pressed the Power button to force a shutdown sequence.

After getting this message I tried various things at the menu.lst line starting with "initrd /dsl...", thinking that this part was the one grub was trying to execute for finding 'KNOPPIX', I inserted {/hda2} in front of /dsl, with the same result. Then added {/dev} in front of hda2 but still obtained the same thing.

Any clue(s) as to what might be happenning?

PS. At the top of the page I saw a message in relation to VFS & to check the filesystem. It's curious but the day before I received a message from another forum that advised me to run <fsck> due to another distro's inability to boot, I checked it & it showed no problem, so I'm disregarding this message, for now.
21  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / Re: How to boot DSL using grub - frugal? on: July 19, 2013, 05:05:12 PM
WOW, you gave me a lot of detailed info AWA a lot to read, thanks CNK!

Going this time backwards, I'll start saying that I'm tring to boot at the VAIO the newest DSL version I have.

I hope the changes introduced at the menu.lst file today will prove satisfactory for getting closer to boot DSL at this computer. The DSL section now is as follows:

# 7) Linux bootable partition config begins
  title Damn Small Linux frugal in sda2 dir dsl
  rootnoverify (hd0,1)
  kernel /dsl/linux24 root=/dev/hda2/dsl ro lang=us toram noeject frugal
  initrd /dsl/minirt24.gz
# Linux bootable partition config ends

BTW, my HDD is a SATA drive but for a trial I'm going to stick with this entry as it is even though it might be wrong. If it doesn't work the first time I'll edit at boot time while using grub & check it out.
22  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / Re: How to boot DSL using grub - frugal? on: July 18, 2013, 02:22:00 PM
Thanks for replying, CNK!

Technically speaking, I'm booting from the HDD all my bootable distros; these are: 1) Puppy Linux 528.005, 2) PL 511, 3) PL 525, 4) Wary512 {this folder's now empty because had to make room for Slacko 5.5.4G but it was booting up OK} and 5) Puppy Studio. All of what precedes this sentence is in reference to the VAIO laptop.

At the HP laptop I'm booting up DSL from a 'pendrive' only because at that one I've no HDD. AFAIK, the DSL version at this 'pendrive' is an old one, ~2005 version.

Note the following: at the VAIO, my HDD is partitioned in three sections named sda1 (ntfs), sda2 (Home for all puppies (ext3)) and sda5 (ntfs). At the Home partition have one folder for each of my distros, each containing the necessary files for booting; one of those is DSL. Today I received at another forum in relation to another booting issue not related to DSL a message to check how my specific Home partition was named at the running distro (PL 528), i.e., sda# vs. hda# because apparently there're issues with some systems in relation to the naming of devices...; this might bring some problems to booting DSL as well I think. In any case, I've to boot from a live cd to run a <fsck> command because no partition should be mounted to run this. All this's at the VAIO. Need to search for more info on this command before proceeding.

Before making any changes at the menu.lst file in relation to DSL, which is located at sda2/boot/grub folder, the line starting with "kernel..." showed [root=boot something, which didn't make any sense to me. These entries were Copied/Pasted as suggested by some DSL user somewhere. My actual DSL entry is as follows:

7) Linux bootable partition config begins
  title Damn Small Linux
  rootnoverify   (hd0,1)
  kernel /dsl/linux24 root=/dev/(hd0,1) ro lang=us toram noeject frugal> initrd /dsl/minirt24.gz
# Linux bootable partition config ends

Yes, I noticed that it says hdo while at my desktop (running PL528) it says sda. This issue of device naming isn't resolved in my mind yet.

As part of the changes you suggest, should I also change the entry at the line containing "rootnoverify (hd0,1)" according to what I find? You might benefit understanding my present HDD's layout. I'll do my best below.

  • HDD broken in 3 primary partitions.
    • sda2 partition has 14 folders from which 7 are for OS booting.
      • DSL folder has 14 items of which 4 are folders (knopix, qemu, etc.).

When you say if I can boot from cd and look for something at /mnt in the HDD it confuses me to see that you expect me to find boot besides the other folders, if I understood correctly your exposition. I do have the other folders but no boot folder (I don't have a Windows OS system at this VAIO).

The model of this laptop is: Sony VAIO VGN AR250G Notebook + 512MB RAM.

Hope I gave you the necessary data on all areas, thanks!

EDIT: Now that I've paused for a while I remember that I'm using grub as a bootloader & that it identifies HDDs as hd0, hd1, etc. &, with respect to primary partitions they're (hd0,0), (hdo,1), etc. for the case of just one HDD.

The above means that my usage of device identifiers within menu.lst is correct; after all, if it would be wrong none of my puppies would boot.
23  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / How to boot DSL using grub - frugal? on: July 17, 2013, 01:42:12 PM
I've been trying to boot frugally DSL at a VAIO for years without any success. Recently, made some changes in the menu.lst file at DSL's section and obtained something different: a rather long list of messages that didn't fit on the screen. Although it didn't boot I've some (probably/hopefully) useful/starting tips offered by the system? that might be useful for someone with the right knowledge (not me).

Below, I'm posting what I've written by hand of the last full screen seen (what's interesting for me, not all the page):

... contents of previous lines unknown)
kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k scsi_hostadapter, error = 2
ibid = last line repeated right away
...jump forward some lines

VFS: Cannot open root device "(hd0" or 00:00
Please append a correct root=" boot option.
Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:00

BTW, is there a way of redirecting all those messages to a pre-determined (log)file for later examination?

Thanks in advance for any tips/help on this!
24  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / Re: Problem reading cylinder 0, expected 18532?, read -1 after format floppy dis on: July 06, 2013, 03:33:40 PM
Thanks for replying CNK! I'm sorry to have taken so long to follow up, but I'm back...

I checked the stats you mentioned & found out that it says DSL 4.4, but I kept looking around &, above the "dmesg" tab it says: <4> Linux versiion 2.4.31 (root@box) (gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease) #6 SMP Fri Oct 21 15:15:54 EDT 2005 as the first entry there.

I think that I recall this linux version that I'm using is a rather old one because I made this pendrive for serving this purpose on an extinct vaio laptop running, with difficulty, win xp ~2005 and AFAIR never updated this software because didn't know how (from within DSL itself, that is).

The only way it can be updated is if I do it myself, am I right? I've tried something with 'apt-get' but never noticed anything different than a NON-WORKING situation...

As a clue, my Bon Echo version is 2.0 &, at the end of the About page under the Help tab is this:
--->Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1) Gecko/20061102 BonEcho/2.0.<---

Thanks in advance for any tip/info/help on this!

PS. Browsing around with emelfm I stumbled upon the menu.lst at the boot folder &, considering that this's what I'm actually using to boot my current version, it might also work for booting up the cd with minor changes in there. So, I'm going to have at least a couple of days toying with this idea to see if I'm right or not (hope I won't brake anything important while at it). In any case, I'll post the outcome of this experiment.
25  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / Problem reading cylinder 0, expected 18532?, read -1 after format floppy disk on: May 25, 2013, 08:01:44 PM
I'm working with an HP nx9010 laptop without a hdd, booting from an old MuVo MP3 Player (64MB). The desktop right corner shows that I'm running linux 2.4.31 on i686. A few weeks ago I d/l & burnt a cd-rw with the 4.10 version but, at this laptop, it didn't boot up. I burnt it at a VAIO laptop because I didn't understand the cdw api that comes with DSL &, also, because at this laptop I didn't have the necessary RAM for the job.

I was trying to make a boot floppy to check if it could be modified easyly to boot the new cd at this machine & then replace my current version. Is there something better to try & then substitute my current version?

Thanks for any help on this issue!!
26  MyDSL Extensions / Apps / Don't understand the burning app in dsl (cdw) on: May 11, 2013, 01:26:05 AM
I'm trying to burn an iso file (dsl-411...) unto a blank cd-rw with this app but nothing happens. Before, a few hours ago, I tried to blank another cd-rw but nothing happenned, neither.

My actual (running it right now) OS is DSL 2.4.31 but can't find the version of the said app.

I don't have a hdd but put an external cfcard attachankatever.

Think I need help before turning the machine off & loosing the file.

Thanks for any help on this!
27  Damn Small Linux / User Feedback / Re: "Updating" an old version of DSL, which way to go? on: May 08, 2013, 02:02:45 PM
Thanks for replying, CNK!

I'm sorry it took me so long to read your post & I'm not sure I'm going to have time to look at the old forum today but I will.

In relation to the disk thing I've bitter memories. In my first pc I remember I distroyed a valuable disk by taking it out of the drive before the led was off. So, I refrained myself of doing it again.

I'm going to try to re-make the freedos disk again, this time without mounting it first & from the console. But, I'm curious about something: why it shouldn't be mounted? I'm sorry, there're 2 questions: should I first format the diskette FAT16? Is it BIOS dependent?

Thanks for any help you or somebody else can give around these things!
28  Damn Small Linux / User Feedback / Re: "Updating" an old version of DSL, which way to go? on: March 30, 2013, 10:26:59 PM
I've tried to enable apt several times & also used the 'make image' in floppy tool but it always returns with a #404 error. I can't be sure but I suspect that, since I'm using an old DSL version, the url addrs. are no longer valid.

If the above is correct, can I make appropriate changes in a config file to correct this? What  about issuing the command right from the shell? In this case I need the right command from someone that knows how to do it...

It also has become a problem when I try to mount a floppy if the system encounters a problem in the disk it shows me a "clock" icon for > 15 mins, the device cannot be unmounted or the file manager stop responding for that period of time. Can I edit a 'pre-established' period of time somewhere to shorten this time period?

Thanks for any comment on these issues!

PS. I've been  trying to make a freedos floppy disk from DSL but the process has failed me a couple of times already! For some reason the image is already saved but can't be moved to the floppy: do I've to use the floppy tool for this or can I just move the image to the floppy drive from the file manager? Can I download the file directly to the floppy? Guess that I need to mount the floppy first but I'm not completely sure...
29  Damn Small Linux / DSL Tips and Tricks / Does any of the last 3 ver of DSL comes with an utility for bypassing Win XP PWD on: February 24, 2013, 06:42:10 PM
Have a friend with an XP Pro locked out because can't remember a login pwd for the only acct available (Administrator). Have read a lot lately about this & would like to try "chntpw" from the Ubuntu repository (or semewhere else) or something else that I already unkowingly have.

Since I haven't used much DSL it occurred to me that it might come with something for that purpose already or, there's something downloadable that accomplish this end. Does it exists?

Thanks for any insights/ideas around this! Shocked
30  Damn Small Linux / User Feedback / "Updating" an old version of DSL, which way to go? on: January 25, 2013, 03:32:33 PM
The other day looked to my side & saw that old HP laptop that lacks a HDD & remembered the 64MB MuVo MP3 pendrive that holds DSL (old) & thought that a good span of time had past already since my last involvement with DSL or that laptop..., so here I'm.

The HP is working OK AWA the pendrive & the DSL inside. Is there something new in "browsers" within the last DSL released? Java is so widely used in websites that it has become something like a standard, so it should be included in recent releases (I already read about the vulnerabilities --it should be fixed or widely substituted by something else) but for the time been we've to stick to it if we want certain things within owr reach.

As said above, I've this old HP laptop without a HDD but otherwise booting from the pendrive. I would like to know the safest way to update my years-old DSL to a newer, more capable version. Is it wise to start the process from the beginning or inserting certain newer files would be enough?

Note: The said pendrive is just 64MB but I've a 128MB sdcard at hand & a usb adapter for it so if my java requirement is calling for the installation of a new, bigger browser that card might be the way to go. Need help on this!

Thanks for any info around this!
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