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136  Damn Small Linux / Other Help Topics / Re: Tor does not work on: June 16, 2013, 01:04:52 AM
I'm a bit late with this reply I know, but I only just learnt the details of how Tor works so I figure I'm now less likely to say something meaningless.

It looks like the Tor binary was compiled on a machine with libssl version 0.9.8 installed. That package has version 0.9.7 and DSL comes as standard with version 0.9.6 (according to the packages list on the website). So the package author should have included their libssl with their Tor package, however as they didn't, your only option is to compile something yourself.

Check if a version of Tor you're happy with will work with libssl 0.9.6 (already in DSL) or 0.9.7. If so, download the Tor source and compile it yourself (info on how to do this is online, look in the old forum archives). If not, download the source for a version of Tor and compatible version of Openssl, then compile them (Openssl first, Tor afterwards). If you get the latest version of Tor, it will probably need more dependancies than Openssl (made clear as errors when you run the configure script), these again (unless already in the My-DSL respository) will need to be downloaded and compiled before you compile Tor.

Good luck! If it's your first time compiling, just think what you'll learn!
137  Damn Small Linux / HD Install / Re: Apt-get update doesn't work!!! on: June 16, 2013, 12:28:17 AM
You do realise that the Debian 3 "Woody" packages are no longer updated?

As DSL doesn't support later Debian packages and the My-DSL respository is no longer frequently updated, I usually compile software myself if I need a new version.

As for using the old Woody packages, they are available on the web from "archive.debian.net". I don't remember trying that site with apt-get though.
138  Damn Small Linux / USB booting / Re: HELP HP N54 Microserver won't boot DSL (Newbie) on: June 01, 2013, 12:19:55 AM
I am at a bit of a quandry as I have also got Lubuntu 13 loaded and I am wondering if it's easier to strip lubuntu down even further or if it's footprint is small enough, then it may be happier with modern hardware.

Well I would have thought that all you'd need in this case was support for SATA HDDs (boot option "sata", in case you didn't know) and your Network Card. DSL should support these well enough, so I don't see what difference it would make.

Lubuntu will have a better range of packages though, so you probably won't need to compile anything. On the other hand, stripping stuff out might be a tricky task, and you won't bring it down to a DSL size/resource usage. Do you know about TinyCore? It's something of a spin-off of DSL that has better modern hardware support and comes with practically no pre-installed software but a GUI and package downloader (depending on what version you choose). The idea is that you download everything you want from the package archive. The archive is more up to date than DSL's, but far smaller than the Ubuntu one that Lubuntu uses.

I Like the look of DSL and especially the top right hand side Systems specs App (Not sure what that's called?)

Yes I like the DSL interface as well. I like the more basic approach to that of the mainstream distros. The desktop status program is called "Torsmo" (torsmo.sourceforge.net), it can be configured quite extensively by editing the config file "/home/dsl/.torsmorc" (remember to change user to "root", otherwise you won't have permission to modify it).
139  Non-DSL Topics / water cooler / Re: Ignore on: May 30, 2013, 07:13:56 AM
Don't know of an ignore button. You've probably noticed the "Report to Moderator" button, but I think the problem should be obvious enough anyway.

By the way, posting with the title "Ignore" isn't the best way to get a topic noticed.
140  Damn Small Linux / USB booting / Re: HELP HP N54 Microserver won't boot DSL (Newbie) on: May 30, 2013, 07:02:39 AM
I actually installed DSL on a Proliant from ~2005. These "Microservers" look like rather different beasts though. Something like a server designed by people who normally work on desktop PCs.

Anyway, as for booting, as long as you're an "almost complete newbie", have you set up the BIOS for USB/CD booting? Usually this is called "Boot Priorities" or something similar in the BIOS settings. For how to get to the BIOS settings, look at the manual. USB or CD have to be before the HDD/s for them to boot.

DSL comes with BetaFTPd, but it's hard to find docs for (I might have found some information once, but I'd have to check on another computer, ask if you want me to check for it). It doesn't have a GUI either, so you might want to look for something more like FileZilla. ProFTPd doesn't have a GUI either (at least not as standard, there might be separate interfaces available), it is much easier to find docs for though.

can't help you with remote access in DSL though (haven't tried it), try looking in the MyDSL repository for remote access programs.
141  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / Re: Problem reading cylinder 0, expected 18532?, read -1 after format floppy dis on: May 26, 2013, 12:25:43 AM
The desktop right corner shows that I'm running linux 2.4.31 on i686.

Ah, you do know that 2.4.31 is the version of your Linux kernel, not of DSL? That kernel version is the same one that comes with the latest DSL. To find your DSL version, go to the DSL menu, then "System>System Stats". The DSL version should be printed in the top line of the CPU tab that opens with the stats window.

As for the boot floppy, looks like you'd better try another floppy disk, or failing that, another drive. Though having just looked up the specs on your model, it should be able to boot to a CD anyway. Check your BIOS boot settings and make sure it is trying to boot to the CD drive.

By the way, 256MB RAM should be fine for CD burning, though I admit that the cdw program is quite tricky. I found a webpage that explained the process, but I don't know which computer I bookmarked it on.
142  Damn Small Linux / Other Help Topics / Re: text cursor dissapearing in text boxes, using DSL-4.4.10, please help on: May 21, 2013, 07:01:53 AM
I'm afraid I haven't seen your problem before, but I can say that the Ebay search bar doesn't work at the best of times with the old Firefox that comes with DSL. I search by modifying the text in the URL.

The other things should work though.

Presumably you compiled "Processing", so try "make uninstall" and if the problem goes away, play with the configure options to see if you can disable what's causing the problem for the next install. Or if uninstalling doesn't work, do the same and just keep re-installing DSL, it's usually fairly quick on modern PCs.
143  Damn Small Linux / Other Help Topics / Re: configuring packages on: April 22, 2013, 07:35:35 AM
Source Code is the common way to distribute programs for Linux so that they can be used with a range of different distributions. If a project on Sourceforge offers a Linux version, it probably has the source package available, but many linux programs from elsewhere on the net will have them too. They usually have the "tar.gz" extension (or tar.xz, tar.bz2). Note though that the ".tar.gz" packages in the MyDSL repository are not Source Code packages.

For your second problem, if you downloaded a package for the program you're using, it might be looking for GIMP-print when it isn't installed on your computer. If you compiled it, you should check for a "./configure" option to disable GIMP-print. If the program can't run without GIMP-print for some reason, you might need to install it, though I'm not sure if it is compatible with DSL.
144  Damn Small Linux / Other Help Topics / Re: configuring packages on: April 19, 2013, 10:28:29 PM
"./configure" is a script included with most source code packages for Linux. Unlike the other commands, it exists in the directory of the program you want to compile (hence why you type "./" before it). You don't download it separately.

Often simply typing "./configure" will set things up automatically as required for your system. However you can type "./configure --help", or to scroll through the text, "./configure --help | less", to see a list of options that may be added to the "./configure" line in order to make specific choices about the compillation.

Also, just a note that gcc doesn't actually control the "make" command, there is a specific program called "make" for that, but gcc is used by it to compile the package.
145  Damn Small Linux / User Feedback / Re: New to DSL. 1. unable to connect to network. 2. Mouse not working. 3.Need XL app on: April 16, 2013, 09:34:37 AM
1. Have you attempted to use the iwconfig GUI in DSL? You can get to it from the DSL menu under "Setup>Net Setup". If that says it can't find the interface, try opening a terminal and typing "iwconfig", if your network card has been identified by DSL, then it shoulld be shown in the list of interfaces presented. Use the  name associated with your interface in the "device" box of the iwconfig GUI.

2. Are you using a laptop or desktop PC? Check your BIOS for settings relating to the mouse. I think there is a particular setting that tends to upset the mouse support, but I forgot what it was.

3. I don't think there is a package for Libre, there's a good chance it needs features that aren't available in DSL. There is an old version of Open Office in the MyDSL respository if you need more than the word processor and spreadsheet included with DSL.
146  Damn Small Linux / User Feedback / Re: "Updating" an old version of DSL, which way to go? on: March 31, 2013, 09:56:12 PM
Apt won't work anymore with DSL, the new Debian packages aren't compatible with DSL. To use the Boot Floppy Tool or MyDSL, you need to set the new URLs. In the more modern DSLs, you can go to "Apps>Net>Download Mirror Selector" in the DSL menu. If this wasn't in your version, there was also a file you could edit but I forgot its name, look in the old forums.

Regarding the endless floppy access, when an OS does this to me (I can't think of a PC OS that doesn't) and I can't kill the process trying to access the disk, I just take out the disk. Perhaps it's a risk, but I've seen inside floppy drives and I doubt it can harm the disk. Not quite as sure about the drive, but I figure it's OK. Now if you've written or changed something on the disk though, there is a risk of corrupting it if you can't unmount it afterwards, not sure if this applies to your situation.

Now as for writing floppy images to disk. simply place the image somewhere, it should have the ".img" extension. Now put in your floppy to be written, remembering not to mount it, and in a terminal do the command "dd if=<image file> of=/dev/fd0" where "<image file>" is the path of your desired disk image. This will also work for the DSL boot floppy if you grab the image manually from the web.
147  Damn Small Linux / HD Install / Re: PXE Install? on: March 26, 2013, 10:00:03 AM
Well I've never had anything to do with PXE booting, but if I were you, I would try installing DOS and then using Loadlin.
See here, you'll have to skip the first step, of course:

I haven't done this before with DSL, though I have with another distro and it worked quite well. You can install a WIndows with DOS such as Win 95/98, boot into DOS and it should work from that.
148  Damn Small Linux / HD Install / Re: PXE Install? on: March 16, 2013, 01:23:21 AM
If you can get your hands on a USB CD drive, that might be worth a try. I used one to install DSL on a notebook a few years newer than yours. Sadly only to give up thanks to lack of drivers afterwards.
149  Damn Small Linux / DSL Ideas and Suggestions / Re: Wiki on DSL? on: February 26, 2013, 10:18:53 AM
As it happens, M-Disc DVDs actually are the archival discs I have in mind.

(The company put out a press release last month that in the second quarter of this year, they'll be releasing Blu-Ray M-Discs, which they claim will even be writable on regular drives. Given the seven-fold increase in capacity, I'll likely be waiting for that product to store the main archives on.)

Ha, so I'm preaching to the converted then. Interesting that they are going for Blu-Ray disks compatible with standard recorders, I thought that Blu-Ray laser power was getting pretty darn strong, but I didn't realise it had reached this point yet. I heard that earlier drives have lower powered lasers than the later ones though, so it will be interesting to see how that works out.

I'm quite happy to learn how to compile - for one, I'm rather fond of the screensaver I've been using for years ( http://www.fourmilab.ch/skyscrsv/ ), and if I can work out both how to compile it (from the source at http://www.fourmilab.ch/skyscrsv/download/3.1b/skyscrsc.zip ) and get it arranged so it can be a Linux screensaver instead of just a standalone executable, I'll be even happier. I figure if-and-when I can figure out, or find, how to manage that, I'll be much closer to working out how to recompile Kiwix for DSL.

OK, I'm afraid you're a bit confused over the nature of compiling Linux software from source. That screensaver is made for Windows, and the source code simply contains the code used to program it for Windows so that curious Visual C programmers can satisfy themselves. However packages like the linux source for Kiwix are (a) designed to run on Linux and (b) include documentation, a configuration script and a roughly standardised layout that means that any old PC user who never programed a computer to say "Hello, World" can still get the software installed.

Basically, the lesson to learn is that "source code" does not mean "Linux". That screensaver in particular would rely on many features particular to Windows in order to function, in fact I expect a complete re-write would be required for it to work in Linux. Often Linux compatible source code is in a gzip compressed tarball, ie. with a ".tar.gz" extension. In rare cases (generally for old and obscure software), it might be Zip compressed, but usually the ".tar.gz" extension is a good rule of thumb. Err, except for the ".tar.gz" extensions in the MyDSL repository, they are pre-compiled but compressed in the same way.

Still, I agree with starting small. It's much more rewarding to get a small program with few or no dependencies to run than to begin with a complex dependency chain. Looks like you'll have to find a new Planetarium screensaver for Linux though.
150  Damn Small Linux / DSL Ideas and Suggestions / Re: Wiki on DSL? on: February 25, 2013, 09:33:25 AM
First of all, I'd think twice about using even archival disk media. It usually uses a metallic layer that can't corrode as in normal discs, however I don't believe it does much to prevent the deterioration of the organic layer which the laser burns to store the data. There's lots of controversy about this though. By the way, disc technology really hasn't changed since the CD days (hence the following links), the lasers have just got better.


I suppose the discs you got say they are guaranteed for 100/200 years. When I read that though, I just think of the VHS tapes I have with "Lifetime Guarantee" written on their jackets. Can you imagine trying to get compensation after you lost a precious home movie on VHS tape that was recorded twenty plus years ago? Heck the company might not even exist.

Of course, then you have to wonder what media is suitable. Mechanical HDDs are probably in the same category as Floppy disks in term on non-suitability due to their mechanical complexity. I don't know the facts, but it seems like far too long relying on the charge storage of Flash Media. Tape drives? Well the majority of VHS tapes lasted all right (though some of those guarantees probably deserve to be claimed) and they often use similar technology, but I wouldn't recommend it. I read an article about Bell Labs using some "holographic" technique to use lasers for burning data into crystals, fun for a read anyway.

However I think the best bet is with Millenniata's "M-Discs" (http://www.milenniata.com/). As much as the advertising screams to me those old "last until we're out of business" guarantees, the principals seem very sound. With the high powered laser diodes of today (trust me, they are), there's no real need for special organic dyes when a good laser can burn into the solid surface of the disc. You will need to buy a compatible DVD drive though, and their rather expensive discs.

Anyway, onto topic, it looks like Kiwix was only released last year, so the chances of finding it in the repository are pretty much zero (especially seeing as I did a search). You can forget about using the Debian package at that link, DSL was compatible with Debian 3.0 "Woody" which is now long obsolete. The Debian "Sid" package you linked to is for a version very different from DSL and just won't work.

As a result you will have to compile the software yourself, if it is at all compatible. Indeed with such new software, it could well be incompatible with the 2.4 kernel version used in DSL. Still, well worth a try if you're up to it. There are some packages in the DSL repository for setting up a compiling environment in DSL. Basically you'll need "gnu-utils", "gcc1-with-libs", "compile-3.3.5" and "gcc-2.95". Though "compile-3.3.5" is getting a bit old now so you may end up having to compile some new programs to use instead of the old versions it includes. Then you need to download the source of Kiwix, look at the "README" and "INSTALL" files from the tar.gz archive and work out the dependencies it needs (many won't be in DSL by default, or will be too old). You now need to find and download these and try to install them (look at the instructions in the INSTALL file, or just do the normal "./configure --help | less", choose arguments to append, if any, "./configure <args>", "make", "make install"). While doing these, you will find the "configure" script will probably want yet more dependencies before it can install some dependencies. Yes dependencies need dependencies (especially in DSL), this can go on for a while. Then you may well at some point find a dependency that just doesn't like kernel 2.4, at which point you can either find a way around it, move to DSL-N with the 2.6 kernel, or give up.

Well that's got to have put you off. I'm not saying that it's bound to be that much work, but I know it can be (anyone else tried to compile "glom" database software for DSL?). Go on, give it a go, look what you'll get out of it.
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