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46  Damn Small Linux / Other Help Topics / Re: C and C++ programming with the DSL OS? on: January 17, 2014, 01:10:53 AM
No, I've never tried.

But good luck, whatever you go for.
47  Damn Small Linux / User Feedback / Re: DSL 4410 in qemu on: January 17, 2014, 01:04:39 AM
(first) Well you know now. Experience is sometimes assumed in such documents.

(second) That's pretty subjective. GRUB is generally more flexible, and there's much more information about it in the DSL Wiki than for Lilo.

(third) Yep (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/frugal_install.html).
48  Damn Small Linux / User Feedback / Re: DSL revival? on: January 17, 2014, 12:54:04 AM
Well assuming you base it on Knoppix like the current DSL, it would just be a matter of slowly stripping parts out, tweaking others, and compiling updated versions of software.

Never having tried to create or significantly modify a distro, I couldn't comment very well on the tecnical complexity of the task, but it would be tedious, and little from the current DSL could really be used directly.

Not that DSL with a v3 kernel would be a valid new version of DSL, as system requirements and total size would contradict the goals of DSL. Instead this would effectively be a new DSL-N.


As for DSL itself, I believe it could still go further. While a lot of the software is no longer updated or has suffered bloat, there are still improvements that could be made in the scripts and the user interface. With enough support, it would be great to have basic software applications developed for DSL, effectively turning it into a base for low resource software development. The RaspberryPi, even running DSL through Qemu (which I'd love to try if I had one), could be a great modern application of DSL. But all this would need willing developers, I don't have the time or experiance, John seems on and off at best, and the other past contributers have gone.
49  Damn Small Linux / Other Help Topics / Re: C and C++ programming with the DSL OS? on: January 11, 2014, 11:20:42 PM
Sure, why wouldn't you?

Just remember that DSL uses the old 2.4 kernel. This means you might have not be able to run new software designed for later kernel versions. If you want to use the latest version of a modern IDE, definately check whether it, and its dependancies, would run with a 2.4 kernel.

If it won't work, DSL-N uses kernel v2.6. Then there are always other options like TinyCore and Puppy Linux which use much more modern kernels.
50  Damn Small Linux / User Feedback / Re: DSL revival? on: December 29, 2013, 03:16:19 AM
Well John hasn't replied, so things don't look all that hopeful right now.

If you look at his profile (http://damnsmalllinux.org/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1), it shows that he hasn't posted since January (also, the download site hasn't had a new upload since 2012), but he's marked as last active this month, so at least we're not forgotten.

For basic DSL, I can only see significant changes coming from a movement towards more custom software and scripts. There aren't that many resource conservative programs still being developed (Dillo being the main one that comes to mind) and when I compile any fancy new software, it usually isn't long before I trace a dependancy trail that leads to needing at least a v2.6 kernel, sometimes even v3. There are still a few things that could be fixed up in DSL, but I can't see where major feature changes could be worked in without harming compatibility and size.

I have to wonder how many people are still using DSL to make their old PCs useful again. Or whether many are putting it on far more modern machines just for the exceptional speed at which it can run (I have done this myself on a 1Ghz IBM Thinkpad with 512MB RAM).

It's that job which I believe was John's target application of the new DSL he said he was working on last year. It basically sounded like a new DSL-N. One can only assume that has been going slowly at best though. Yet there's nothing to stop anyone else making their own branch of DSL at any point in time.

Right now though, I'm typing at a Pentium 1 120MHz, with 81MB RAM. I wonder how many others still do? I might try to put up a poll later to find out...
51  Damn Small Linux / Other Help Topics / Re: how can I install the cpuid diagnostic in dsl? on: December 15, 2013, 05:58:23 AM
The system information program in DSL gives some fairly detailed info about the processor, have you looked at that?

The windows in that are simply listings of direct commands and log files, so there must be some way to access the CPU info from the command line and perhaps get more detail.

Oh, I remember now. Here it is (http://acpi.sourceforge.net/documentation/processor.html). Don't know if it can tell you what you want though...

If you've got a DOS bootdisk or want to burn a copy of "Ultimate Boot CD", you could run AIDA16, which might tell you more.
52  DSL Not / DSL-N / Re: MyDSL-N Extensions on: November 25, 2013, 05:08:49 AM
The DSL download mirrors have changed and you'll probably need to set one of the current ones to download extensions.
53  MyDSL Extensions / Net / Re: alt-gr-keys in firefox 2.0 on: November 05, 2013, 12:38:34 AM
So the problem is fixed when you set the keyboard language in xsetup?

In that case, you might want to try adding the "lang=<language>" command to the "kernel" line for DSL in "/boot/grub/menu.lst", as described here (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/cheat_codes.html).
54  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / Re: Mouse buttons stop working on: October 28, 2013, 10:02:03 PM
When it comes to other versions, I'd start with DSL-N. It is quite a bit older than the latest DSL, however it uses a more modern kernel which might not exhibit the same symptoms.
55  Damn Small Linux / Laptops / Re: Mouse buttons stop working on: October 28, 2013, 05:14:14 AM
Wow, that is odd. Are you using the built-in mouse or an external one? Does the other work?

Do other OSs run OK? Perhaps you might want to try MEMTEST86 (bootable RAM testing program, included on a lot of bootdiscs).

If the RAM is OK, I've never heard of memory being directly connected to the mouse functions in DSL. I could be wrong though...
56  Damn Small Linux / HD Install / Re: Can you install... on: October 26, 2013, 01:41:29 AM
OK, the error is from GRUB, the program that loads DSL after the BIOS loads it. Is the error displayed after you select the DSL boot option in the GRUB menu on startup?

Assuming it is, check that on the SD card you have a file named "linux24" in the folder named "boot" located in the top directory of the card. i.e. "/boot/linux24".


Also, as you probably know, Raspbian is a Linux distro designed for the Raspberry Pi. The problem is that the Pi uses an ARM processor, these processors aren't compatible with PC x86 processors for which DSL is designed. DSL won't run on an ARM machine and (unless there is a PC version that I haven't seen) Raspbian won't run on a x86 machine. Looking up the EEE PC notebooks, I believe they have x86 processors, though if you know otherwise then DSL will never work.
57  Damn Small Linux / HD Install / Re: Can you install... on: October 24, 2013, 07:02:06 AM
The problem to contend with here is whether the PC/s you want to use the SD card with use a BIOS that supports booting from SD cards. I've got no idea whether many or even any do.

With an uncooperative BIOS, you might be able to find a bootloader that could sit on a PC's HDD or other more normal booting medium, then offer a choice of whether to boot from the HDD or the SD card. Again most won't support SD card booting.

One option that is risky and convoluted enough to class as ridiculous is to install CoreBoot (http://www.coreboot.org/) (if your chipset were supported), then use its ability to load a Linux kernel from the BIOS ROM which could then have support for an SD card and load the rest of the OS from one. Of course you'd have to use the 2.4.31 kernel from DSL and probably re-design the booting process. Also, if it didn't work, the PC would be unbootable (unless it had a backup BIOS system).

So basically, look up whether the BIOS will do what you want, and if it doesn't, I'd say go and buy a USB memory stick (as long as that is supported by the BIOS).
58  Damn Small Linux / User Feedback / Re: DSL 4.11.RC2 runs... on: September 26, 2013, 11:54:33 PM
Yes I often (and perhaps unfairly) judge a Linux distro that claims to be built for old computers by whether it works with a serial mouse on startup, DSL is one of the very few ones that does (which can be quite annoying, especially on PCs like the Pentium I I'm using now that doesn't have any other options).
59  Damn Small Linux / Other Help Topics / Re: chipset issues on: September 26, 2013, 11:47:31 PM
If we're talking about RAM size, CPU features, partition sizes etc. then its more a matter of what the Linux 2.4 kernel supports than DSL specifically. From memory I think the maximum RAM is some ridiculously large ammount, and the ext3 file system could be so large it wouldn't matter in most circumstances. I don't know about all the different CPU features. I'm pretty sure multiple cores are supported (at least I know multiple CPUs are), how many I couldn't say. There's no 64bit DSL that I've seen.
60  Damn Small Linux / Other Help Topics / Re: Startup Applications on: September 23, 2013, 11:35:06 AM
I haven't used VMware so I'm afraid I can't help you set up a drive.

The first paragraph under the title "Backup and Restore" on the Wiki page describes that process as well as I could here.
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