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46  Damn Small Linux / User Feedback / Re: New to DSL need guidance on: March 14, 2014, 01:28:52 AM
Here is the download directory for the core release (http://distro.ibiblio.org/damnsmall/dslcore/).

If you plan on compiling new software rather than just grabbing MyDSL packages, keep in mind that the old 2.4 kernel can limit compatibility with a lot of software. Make sure you check the requirements for both the software you want, and the dependencies that the new programs have.
47  Damn Small Linux / HD Install / Re: hd install issue on: March 12, 2014, 09:27:07 PM
OK, it looks like fdisk can read the partition table of your HDD alright, so things are workable. Actually, if you wiped the disk, there shouldn't be a partition table, did you manage to create some partitions?

Anyway, there are ways to make partitions in DSL without cfdisk, but if you want to install Knoppix it would probably be best to do the partitioning as you follow its installation program. Specifically, you need to create two partitions - one for swap space (where data goes when it can't fit in the memory), which should be the first partition on the disk and from memory needs to be a Gigabyte or greater in size, then another (eg. taking up the rest of the drive) for Knoppix itself. The installer will tell you how much swap space it wants and will open a graphical partitioning program (Gparted) to let you make the changes. You'd be best to delete all the partitions you've got on there already.

I've used the latest version of the Knoppix CD and it worked fine, so I'd say go with that (or, even better, the DVD).
48  Damn Small Linux / HD Install / Re: hd install issue on: March 11, 2014, 09:16:03 PM
As I said, Knoppix is probably what I'd put on that machine. For playing around, it allows you to install a lot of new software that can be difficult or impossible to install with DSL (it has a lot of features to play with too). It's up to you though, if you're happy with the programs in the MyDSL Respository, then you could go for that, but Knoppix would be my recommendation.

For the partitioning problem, please open a root terminal and post the result of the command "fdisk -l".
49  Damn Small Linux / HD Install / Re: hd install issue on: March 10, 2014, 09:37:18 PM
For SATA drives you need to issue the "sata" command at boot (see the boot options (cheatcodes) page on the wiki for more info). When the CD boot screen comes up, type "dsl sata" and press enter. To make things a bit quicker, you can also turn on DMA acceleration with "dsl sata dma".

If you were already doing that (or it doesn't help), try running "fdisk -l" and post the result here, with a bit of luck fdisk will be a bit more insightful than cfdisk.


That machine should run DSL lightning quick. I mainly play around with the lowest resource usage distros you can find, so I don't know that many that would take advantage of the extra power of your machine. If you can wedge some more RAM in it, you might be able to use one one the mainstream distros.

Knoppix (http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html) will work fine with your hardware (though it might still help to bang in another 512MB stick of RAM) and would probably be what I'd choose for it, as it runs with all the latest software but should still work very fast. There's a program on the Live CD to install it to HDD. DSL is actually based on a very old version of Knoppix, but you won't need to use the "sata" cheatcode (though you might need to type "knoppix" for it to boot into the GUI).

Here's a quick list of some low resource distros picked from my pile of Live CDs:
Puppy Linux
Puppy Linux Pulp (even lower resource usage)
Tinycore Linux
DSL-N (development stopped earlier than main DSL, so you might prefer plain DSL)
Slitaz
Plop Linux
TinyMe Linux

Hmm, that messed up my live CD pile... oh well, hope it helped.
50  Damn Small Linux / Other Help Topics / Re: How to rename files from uppercase to lowercase on: March 02, 2014, 09:49:44 PM
A quick Google search brings up this script. (http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/convert-filenames-lowercase)

In case you're not aware of the process, copy the script into a text document using a text editor, then save it (eg. as "mvlc.sh" (move lowercase)). Then open a terminal window in the directory it is in and run chmod to make the file executable. eg. "chmod a+rwx mvlc.sh".

Run the script from a terminal window (or with the emelfm command bar), making sure you are in the directory where you want to make the conversion.
51  MyDSL Extensions / System / Re: ubuntuone on: February 15, 2014, 02:47:12 AM
Might be worth checking what version of Python "Ubuntu One" requires as a minimum. I you don't want to compile a new Python version, perhaps you could try an old version of "Ubuntu One".

I don't know anything about the system, but if it uses FTP, perhaps it's possible to use one of the FTP clients in DSL (there's a GUI one and a command line one, in the DSL menu under "Apps>Net") to access your files.
52  Damn Small Linux / DSL Ideas and Suggestions / Re: Boot From ExFAT, NTFS, And Ext4 on: February 12, 2014, 10:55:58 PM
It would be difficult to add support for those file systems to DSL due to the old kernel version it is based on. At the end of the day, DSL wasn't designed for working with huge files (although it can do that with ext3), or following the trends of the latest mainstream Operating Systems. For example, the machine I'm posting from at the moment has a total storage capacity of about 4GB across two 2GB HDDs.

The DSL-N concept is more suited to what you suggest. Indeed it is likely that newer file systems would be supported if a new version of DSL-N were released.

It may be possible, perhaps with a CoreBoot BIOS, to load DSL from an NTFS partition in a similar way to a LoadLin install (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/loadlin_install.html). However it would be a lot of work, and unless you could get ntfs-3g installed, you would still have a problem accessing large files saved with DSL because they would be in the compressed image file on the NTFS partition. It would no doubt be easier to put DSL on its own partition, and use an ext3 driver on Windows to access it.
53  Damn Small Linux / Other Help Topics / Re: How to configure ELMO? on: January 31, 2014, 10:34:31 PM
I've never used it, but looking at the documentation (http://elmo.sourceforge.net/documentation.html) it appears the config file is probably at "/home/dsl/.elmorc".

Open a root terminal and do "nano /home/dsl/.elmorc", then follow the "How to run elmo?" instructions in the docs. In case you don't know nano that well, press Ctrl-X when you're finished.
54  Damn Small Linux / User Feedback / Re: DSL 4410 in qemu on: January 22, 2014, 11:54:58 PM
The GRUB4DOS Wiki isn't working for me, so I can't look up the documentation. However as long as it supports the "kernel" command (which it should), it should work.

The commands that come after the kernel file path (in your case "/boot/isolinux/linux") are not for GRUB, but the kernel. GRUB simply passes them on to the kernel after it has been loaded. That's why they vary between distros.

The error you get is because the DSL kernel can't work out which directory to find all the other operating system files, the "root" command in the kernel line tells the kernel where these files are.

Also, I forgot that if you have a SATA HDD, you'll need to add the command "sata" to the kernel line as well. If you have an IDE (PATA) HDD, or a SATA HDD running in IDE compatibility mode, you should be aware that unlike many distros with more modern kernels (eg. Puppy), DSL names IDE HDDs in "hdx" format. eg. If an IDE HDD is recognised as "sda2" in Puppy, it would be "hda2" for DSL. However if it was SATA, USB or SCSI, it would be recognised in both distros as "sda2".

Best to keep DSL on the in the root directory of a partition. Here (http://damnsmalllinux.org/forums/index.php?topic=422.0) is a similar discussion from a while ago.

Yes the DSL startup is usually pretty verbose. I consider it more interesting.


Thanks for the break from endless wedding dresses :)
55  Damn Small Linux / User Feedback / Re: DSL 4410 in qemu on: January 19, 2014, 10:29:02 PM
I haven't used GRUB4DOS, so I'm not aware of its syntax. Also, I've never intalled DSL-N, so the following advice relates mainly to DSL. However it appears to me that you need to put the "root=" command on the kernel line. Furthermore, your commands "pmedia" and "psubdir" are not in the list of startup "cheatcodes" (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/cheat_codes.html).

Currently the error indicates that DSL can't find the partition from which you want it to run. I sugest the following kernel line:
Code:
kernel /boot/isolinux/linux root=/dev/sda2 frugal
Note that this will run DSL in the root directory of sda2, not inside the dsln directory.

Also, I recommend you look at the cheatcodes page for more additions you may want to make to the kernel line.
56  Damn Small Linux / Other Help Topics / Re: C and C++ programming with the DSL OS? on: January 17, 2014, 01:10:53 AM
No, I've never tried.

But good luck, whatever you go for.
57  Damn Small Linux / User Feedback / Re: DSL 4410 in qemu on: January 17, 2014, 01:04:39 AM
(first) Well you know now. Experience is sometimes assumed in such documents.

(second) That's pretty subjective. GRUB is generally more flexible, and there's much more information about it in the DSL Wiki than for Lilo.

(third) Yep (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/frugal_install.html).
58  Damn Small Linux / User Feedback / Re: DSL revival? on: January 17, 2014, 12:54:04 AM
Well assuming you base it on Knoppix like the current DSL, it would just be a matter of slowly stripping parts out, tweaking others, and compiling updated versions of software.

Never having tried to create or significantly modify a distro, I couldn't comment very well on the tecnical complexity of the task, but it would be tedious, and little from the current DSL could really be used directly.

Not that DSL with a v3 kernel would be a valid new version of DSL, as system requirements and total size would contradict the goals of DSL. Instead this would effectively be a new DSL-N.


As for DSL itself, I believe it could still go further. While a lot of the software is no longer updated or has suffered bloat, there are still improvements that could be made in the scripts and the user interface. With enough support, it would be great to have basic software applications developed for DSL, effectively turning it into a base for low resource software development. The RaspberryPi, even running DSL through Qemu (which I'd love to try if I had one), could be a great modern application of DSL. But all this would need willing developers, I don't have the time or experiance, John seems on and off at best, and the other past contributers have gone.
59  Damn Small Linux / Other Help Topics / Re: C and C++ programming with the DSL OS? on: January 11, 2014, 11:20:42 PM
Sure, why wouldn't you?

Just remember that DSL uses the old 2.4 kernel. This means you might have not be able to run new software designed for later kernel versions. If you want to use the latest version of a modern IDE, definately check whether it, and its dependancies, would run with a 2.4 kernel.

If it won't work, DSL-N uses kernel v2.6. Then there are always other options like TinyCore and Puppy Linux which use much more modern kernels.
60  Damn Small Linux / User Feedback / Re: DSL revival? on: December 29, 2013, 03:16:19 AM
Well John hasn't replied, so things don't look all that hopeful right now.

If you look at his profile (http://damnsmalllinux.org/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1), it shows that he hasn't posted since January (also, the download site hasn't had a new upload since 2012), but he's marked as last active this month, so at least we're not forgotten.

For basic DSL, I can only see significant changes coming from a movement towards more custom software and scripts. There aren't that many resource conservative programs still being developed (Dillo being the main one that comes to mind) and when I compile any fancy new software, it usually isn't long before I trace a dependancy trail that leads to needing at least a v2.6 kernel, sometimes even v3. There are still a few things that could be fixed up in DSL, but I can't see where major feature changes could be worked in without harming compatibility and size.

I have to wonder how many people are still using DSL to make their old PCs useful again. Or whether many are putting it on far more modern machines just for the exceptional speed at which it can run (I have done this myself on a 1Ghz IBM Thinkpad with 512MB RAM).

It's that job which I believe was John's target application of the new DSL he said he was working on last year. It basically sounded like a new DSL-N. One can only assume that has been going slowly at best though. Yet there's nothing to stop anyone else making their own branch of DSL at any point in time.

Right now though, I'm typing at a Pentium 1 120MHz, with 81MB RAM. I wonder how many others still do? I might try to put up a poll later to find out...
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