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 on: March 28, 2014, 08:27:02 AM 
Started by betatest3 - Last post by james c
The problem with running newer browsers ,etc . is because DSL is limited to GTK1 ....app selection is therefore very limited. Newest browsers that I'm aware of are located at http://www.lamarelle.org/mo-zi-lla/mozilla.php . FF and SeaMonkey 1.1.19. Newer browser are generally GTK2.

 on: March 28, 2014, 08:14:17 AM 
Started by CNK - Last post by james c
Mainly on a 733 Mhz/256 Mb ram P3 and an old AMD k-6 2 501 mhz/384 Mb ram and for experimentation an Athlon XP 2400+  2.0 Ghz/1 Gb ram.

 on: March 28, 2014, 02:44:03 AM 
Started by CNK - Last post by CNK
We don't get many polls (or, well.. posts) 'round these parts, so I thought I'd finally ask what I've long been wondering about DSL users. What sort of machines are they ruinning the OS on?

Select as many options as you have PCs running DSL. If your PC has one of the specific models of CPU in it, then the job's easy, otherwise (eg. an Intel Celeron) you'll have to have an idea of what main models were about at the time it was made. A good source of information on old CPUs that conveys the general and inspecific nature of it all is The Red Hill Hardware Guide (http://www.redhill.net.au/iu.html), but it's a bit of a read.

Feel free to post a reply with more details about your machine/s too.

As a quick attempt to generalise, here are the CPU models compared to the sorts of speeds you might expect (completely inaccurate as I haven't the time to look it all up, but gives you a rough idea from the top of my head):

486 - 33MHz-120MHz?
Pentium 1 - 90MHz-150MHz
Pentium 2 - 160MHz-~380MHz?
Pentium 3 - 450MHz-1400MHz
- Really covers two generations in terms of speed, with the Athlon Thunderbird - but I can't add any more options.
Pentium 4 - 1300MHz-~3000MHz+
-The plus indicates to select this option if you have anything later (it doesn't really matter here as this sort of CPU will never limit a normal DSL install).

All that in about a decade, by the way.

The hard part has been working out how to class PC "generations". I've decided on the usual method of CPU models. RAM is important too, but it can be upgraded more easilly than a CPU, and (mainly due to this fact) is hard to class in combination with CPU generations.

I'll admit it's all pretty general, and probably hard for those who don't know much about computer hardware, but hopefully this will give a rough idea of what sort of machines DSL is going on to.

For my part, I'm posting from a Pentium 1 120MHz with 81MB RAM (I upgraded it from 32MB, but it worked pretty well beforehand as well). I also use it on an IBM Thinkpad R31 laptop with a Pentium 3 ~1GHz and 512MB RAM, and I've put it on a couple of similar era machines for other people.

 on: March 28, 2014, 01:13:38 AM 
Started by betatest3 - Last post by CNK
Yeah, although I often manage to avoid bloated websites (or just force them to be lean by running them in Dillo), Ebay in particular has always caused my trouble in Bon Echo (only getting worse as time marches on). Today I also noticed that one website I occasionally visit has started forcing users over to https with a security protocol that Bon Echo doesn't support, so now I can't load it at all.

Then there's Java, recent versions do work on DSL (well last time I checked anyway), but don't support Bon Echo, so they're only good for external programs that run with Java.

But the problem is that after Firefox 2 (Bon Echo), Firefox started relying on dependancies that aren't compatible with the DSL system (I don't know the details, but I'd guess the kernel was too old for something). Though I'd be happy with Firefox 3.6, I expect the latest releases would be about as compatible as a new Windows 7 program is with Windows 95 (from a non-technical perspective).

As I said before though, this isn't really what DSL is designed for. With the Pentium 1 I'm using at the moment, Bon Echo takes about as long to start up as DSL does, it's slow as hell and if you tried to load Ebay, it would spend about half an hour trying before the system would crash. But with Dillo I can browse simpler sites without a hassle, and as quickly as a modern machine running Firefox and loading all the junk that Dillo doesn't bother with. That's the system that DSL was really designed for, but it seems a lot of people (me included, for my laptop) are putting it on when really they want something with the DSL philosophy, but better suited to a later generation of PCs.

I'll do that poll I mentioned earlier when I get the chance, just need to work out how to class PC "generations". EDIT - Done (http://damnsmalllinux.org/forums/index.php?topic=876.0).

 on: March 27, 2014, 03:35:17 PM 
Started by betatest3 - Last post by Benny
For my part, what I see as the most urgent upgrade to be done is with respect to the browser (Bon Echo in this case) because, probably, is the most used application whenever a person turns on a computer. In my case I've a lot of difficulty or am unable to read my yahoo emails from my current version, which traditionally, has been the first task to be done; then, there comes the rest...

 on: March 27, 2014, 07:11:24 AM 
Started by LesterSt - Last post by LesterSt
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 on: March 25, 2014, 07:38:08 PM 
Started by rulfi - Last post by rulfi
thanks very much for all the info.  I will be busy some while to apply all that. Manny terms are new to me, so I have some research to do. thanks again. Smiley

 on: March 24, 2014, 09:10:17 PM 
Started by rulfi - Last post by CNK
I installed DSL on the mentionned machine. It works ;  but I can hardly read the screen:  darkblue characters ,on a black bord. Can this be altered?

You should have an image as your background (as in the screenshots that can be seen at www.damnsmalllinux.org), try right clicking on the desktop, a grey menu should appear, select "DFM for X11>Desktop Options" and try changing the colours with the settings in that window.

If the colours are out in program windows too, it might be a graphics driver problem, did they look alright when you booted the Live CD?

I also mannaged to download the audacityprogram,  Think I have to unzip it (whit WinRAR?).

What type of installation did you do? HDD or Frugal?

If you got it from the MyDSL respository, it should have a ".tar.gz" or ".dsl" extension. The file named "audacity.uci" is the latest version available there, but you will need to make sure the PC loads it as part of the startup process (it doesn't stay there after shutdown). If you made a HDD install, the "tar.gz" package will stay on the computer after you install it (on a frugal install, it will need to be treated like a ".uci").

To transfer it to the old computer via usb-stick will be the easiest way, I guess?

Yep, just double click on the file (no need to "unzip" it) in the file manager (emelfm) and a line of text will appear in the box at the bottom saying it was installed (this won't be permanent unless you used the "tar.gz" on a HDD install). There should now be an icon on the desktop for it, and in the "MyDSL" folder in the DSL menu.

The Wiki pages on MyDSL extensions and persistance (if you're using a frugal install) should give you more info about using MyDSL.

 on: March 24, 2014, 04:56:10 PM 
Started by rulfi - Last post by rulfi
Thanks for the information.
I installed DSL on the mentionned machine. It works ;  but I can hardly read the screen:  darkblue characters ,on a black bord. Can this be altered? Smiley
I also mannaged to download the audacityprogram,  Think I have to unzip it (whit WinRAR?). To transfer it to the old computer via usb-stick will be the easiest way, I guess?
Thanks again.

 on: March 23, 2014, 09:46:09 PM 
Started by rulfi - Last post by CNK
You got this far, so I think you've figured out how the forum works. There's a link to a help page up the top of the page you're viewing now.

You might as well grab the latest release condidate from the ibiblio download site (http://distro.ibiblio.org/damnsmall/release_candidate/). Grab the file "dsl-4.11.rc2.iso", it'll easilly fit on a standard CD (DSL is only 50MB).

An old version of Audacity is available as a package in the Multimedia section of the MyDSL Respository (http://distro.ibiblio.org/damnsmall/mydsl/). A slichtly newer version is also available as a UCI (see the Wiki page on MyDSL extensions). If you need an even newer version, you'll have to compile it yourself (see the wiki page on making a tar.gz extension).

You might get better performance if you boot using the "dsl sata" command at the boot screen - and it you have a SATA HDD, you will need to use the "dsl sata" command there to allow access to it. See the cheatcodes page on the Wiki (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/) for more info.

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