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Posted: June 23 2005,15:06 QUOTE

Quote (ke4nt1 @ June 21 2005,23:00)
There are many challenges involved with "keeping up" with the
latest and greatest kernel, apps, etc.. that are unique to this distro..

Keeping it under 50MB's is a constant challenge..
Other distros don't have this to contend with this issue.
They simply add another .iso, CD, or DVD to the mix to accomodate.

Support for older boxen is to be considered, especially with
this distro, which caters to recycling older hardware..
That fact makes this distro extremely popular worldwide..

Many of the apps included in the distro are updated as required,
for security reasons, or to add flavor and features to the mix,
when they do not add additional weight to the package.

Code bloat is the main reason that many apps are not
upgraded to the 'latest & greatest'.  As many programs
migrate to gtk2, they are no longer useable in DSL.
( no room for gtk2 in DSL ) ..

...and while some newer apps offer more bells & whistles,
the ones found in DSL serve their intended purpose as faithfully
as the day they were new, with a much leaner footprint..

Same with newer kernels , which may offer modules or support newer
hardware, but at the expense of dropping support for older hardware.
Making a newer version ( i.e. 2.6 ) fit inside the 50MB wall, would
only aggravate this situation further, as more modules would be left out.

So, DSL could take the route of removing useful, but somewhat dated
apps, in favor of 'keeping up'  with other distros, or offering a more
recent flavor of various apps and tools, but the userbase we have
now would scream in agony at the loss of speed, support, and increases
in ram and HD usage, just to move ahead in version numbers..

The real beauty in truth is that, if you REALLY want them,
( the fat, newer apps ) they are so easy to ADD to DSL,
once you've spent some time learning how to use the features
included in the myDSL system.. Firefox-1.0.4, Gaim-1.3.1, etc..
Hundreds of extra apps, just a click away, that are recent builds,
contributed by the userbase themselves, that 'plug-in' to the distro
with just a click or two.. No compiling, No configuring, No dependancies.

As for SATA support ...
Others here have success with their SATA in DSL ..
And there is some SATA support being passed down into the
latest 2.4 kernels also, so there is hope down the road here..
If SATA is all that is holding you back, grab an old boatanchor,
and get inside this distro to find out it's strengths,
or choose to contribute to improve on its weaknesses..

Keep an eye on DSL...  
Enough said !  w00t !!

73
ke4nt

OK, I understand that now.  If you can modify the kernel to be just as capable as the current version 2.6 without increasing size much, go for it!!

But it really seems as if you need some new compression schemes.  But then thats means a need for extra ram and stuff..

I still use Windows XP, this is the attitude I tend to have about other OS's.  I've used Knoppix but prefer this in some ways because its much faster on my 233 and leaves a much smaller memory footprint.

I'll be getting a 4 gig usb drive for dsl soon.  w007!

But really, maybe it wouldnt hurt to make the iso an extra 5 megs, unless the mission is to keep it under 50 megs.

As for the SATA deal, I'm new with Linux, guess I needa read the guides.

In the end, keep up the good work.  Just dont "fall backwards".
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Posted: June 23 2005,16:44 QUOTE

I'll weigh in here a little. I am a 1 1/2 yrs into linux as a Windows user. I have spent practically all my Linux time with DSL.

After you understand the philosophy and workings of DSL, you'll never be satisfied with another OS IMHO. Some of you will laugh at that comment but I'm serious. After you have run DSL in memory (toram mode) on a modest PC, how could you ever be happy with WinXP or any other large Linux distro?

I like apps to run when I click on them. I don't want to wait while they 'think' about running.

I like surfing the net cleanly without fear of spyware/viruses.

I like loading only the apps I need on the fly (click and run) ONLY when I need them, keeping my system resources available and ready to respond.

I like running by PC with my pendrive. DSL is really in a great spot for mobile computing. It was recently announced that lappys out sold desktops for the first time ever.

This is only a few examples. I run DSL on hardware that's a couple years old. In DSL, I have alsa accessing a SB Audigy 2 Platimum soundcard with great sound and an xfree and nvidia.dsl extension giving me 3d acceleration. Oh, and by the way, I have all of this running on my Sandisk 512mb microcruzer.

I don't have sata so no idea what I'm missing there. I just see no reason to worry about being current just for the sake of being current. Other than sata support I really am not aware of other things people are missing out on with the 2.4 kernel.

Keep an open mind. DSL can really do anything an average user needs to do on a daily basis and can do it faster than any other OS out there.

If you can't tell, I love DSL  :)

Chris
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Posted: June 24 2005,14:27 QUOTE

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If you can modify the kernel to be just as capable as the current version 2.6 without increasing size much, go for it!!

That's pretty much what 2.4 development is doing, taking useful parts of 2.6 and fitting them into the smaller, proven kernel.  So essentially, when you speak of a 2.4.2x kernel you're not really talking about an outdated kernel.


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Posted: June 28 2005,15:56 QUOTE

is the kernel in charge of detecting all hardware? like usb nics?... i can't get dsl to detect my usb nic w/ 2.4.26... when i load feather with 2.4.27 it detects it no problem... i will try to create a remaster of dsl with the newer kernel to see if gets the hardware running in DSL...

thanks,
Bob
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Posted: June 28 2005,16:30 QUOTE

Bob489,
What model is your USB nic?

I have a netgear MA111 wireless USB that works
with no issues, and no additional drivers or files needed,
so there is good support for USB networking in DSL.

Let us know..

73
ke4nt
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