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Topic: How do I INSTALL apt-get?, Should be sticky at top of this section.

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roadie

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Posted: Oct. 19 2004,07:28

Well, what I got from aiku's post is that a seemingly growing number of users don't try to learn dick all about their system.
They don't even go "click click" on the damn desktop.

Instead they run here, some even demanding help for simple things they could easily learn themselves if they'd just get their asses in gear and do it.

Yeah, I know, not a very productive post and guess what? I don't give a rat's ass.

somerville32
Anyone have trouble interpretting this?

roadie

Aiku

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Posted: Oct. 19 2004,19:18

Somerville, At least I don't post personal attacks. Maybe my english is not so good. My post was to complain about the obvious not directed towards an indivdual.

However using your logic... you are writing stuff for people who refuse to read the first document one sees when they boot up a new system. Sounds like a GREAT idea - not!

Gee, how do I move a mouse?
How many clicks to start a program?

Oh, I know, why don't you just rewrite Getting Started and place it in the forums. As if we all don't have enough to read and learn from here.

You will also need to type each menu entry too. One may not want to read the menu either.

While you are at it post the code of each script too. Maybe, someone is too lazy to open an xterm.

You seem to be the expert as you post in every forum. Yet, you are the first to attack. I am normall a reader not a poster, Sorry if I don't want to read the obvious.

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Posted: Oct. 20 2004,01:00

You know... I am really not intrested in starting some sort of "flame war" but the way I see it is this. Windows has a lot of customers, alot of people use their operating system. I feel that a major reason why this is so, is due the fact that there is so much support no matter what size the problem is (and the fact that is internationaly marketed and promoted), but really! Alot of people do not know how to use a computer and they don't have time to figure it out on their own, people like easy and quick not hard and stressful. I know how to use a computer, why should I retain the knowledge... no matter how "big" or "small" it is. I could care less if it is the "linux way" to make people figure it out on their own, I just want to get more people onto linux. Try to put yourself in other peoples shoes, be conscientious ! I hope you can see my point of view and that it is important to make linux more user friendly to gain the ability to offer an appealing operating environment. Without the people, linux is just a bunch of code. If we really want people to see the light, then stop trying to hide it!

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roadie

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Posted: Oct. 20 2004,03:08

somerville32,
Point 1: This is'nt about "flame wars", it is'nt about :Windows", it's about people being lazy.
How hard can it be to right click on a desktop and look at the available options?
How could the developers make it any easier to install apt?

Point 2: Like aiku, I don't post often, if I do it's to offer help or in this case my opinion, which is: If someone has made an effort to find an answer on their own, I will do anything I can to help solve a problem. If however, they are asking a question that a simple search will answer, they will get no help from me.
In Linux, as in life, there are no free lunches.

Point 3: I don't know what this "linux way' you allude to is, I suspect it involves arrogance, a complete disregard for"Noobes" and a general attitude of condescension. The notion that this goes on at this site is ridiculous except for the case I will mention.

Point 4: Like you and many, many others at this and other forums, I too would like to see more people turn to Linux, unfortunately there is a learning curve involved even with an excellent distro like DSL or Feather Linux and people have to be prepared to learn and if they are not willing to "retain the knowledge" then why should anyone be willing to spoonfeed them?

Point 5: The case of seeming arrogance and condescension I spoke of? In fact the post that actually pissed me right off and made me post?
That post was yours concerning aiku's use of grammer. Totally uncalled for. Worse yet, I saw no hint of an apology in your followup post, just a smokescreen.

Regards,
roadie

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Posted: Oct. 22 2004,23:55

Gentlemen, this is not the place for flaming each other.

Take it to the PM system if you have to.

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-J.P.

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