Talk:Installing to a USB Flash Drive
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DISCUSSION POST - errors in installation guide
"I am assuming that this is supposed to be a how-to and aimed at those with some to little experence with linux and perhaps NO experence with DSL, If this assumption is incorrect I apoligize. My comments are also based on my experences with the 3.3 release. I do have experence with Redhat and SuSE but have never used DSL before, I have never used a wiki or contributed before either so, If I am being rude or too chatty I also apoligize for that.
I have edited the page to point out the existing tools that work.
I will be working on figuring out the manual process & updating this page as needed. These are now my notes. First, Mention that being root is needed and that there is no root password, you have to sudo sh or sudo bash, (That was a pain to find).
Next, using -- locate mbr.bin -- results in the message :locate Command not found. However -- find mbr.bin -- DOES work.
Next, Create a FAT16 or FAT32 partition on the pendrive: mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sdX1
Does NOT work as mkfs.vfat does not exist in 3.3,
-- So, having given up on that method for the moment, --- In the section From within Linux using GRUB as boot loader
First you might want to mention the partition type as listed in fdisk or whatever tool you are recommending.
Then the command grub-install --root-directory=. /dev/<device> does not work , it says --no-floppy is an unrecognized option. deleting it then causes grub to probe and fail with a not found or not a block device.
ANSWER start post dentonlt 27 December 2008 07:26 (UTC) I don't know who's posting this was (above), but you had some good comments. I've fixed up the locate vs. find thing to mention both (Install to USB From within Linux).
mkfs.vfat thing ... it's not that you need it in DSL - it's that you use this command in other distros. Let me know if I'm mistaken on that one.
Re 'mention the partition type as listed in fdisk' ... this is done (Install to USB From within Linux, Formatting section).
grub-install --no-floppy ... actually, that's the version that I used myself (Dec 2008). I've put in a note that grub-install may whine about that argument.
I'm working on putting in your other comments. Next time, just jump in an edit the wiki! Worst case you're wrong, and either you or somebody else fixes it. end post dentonlt 27 December 2008 07:26 (UTC)
MY PROBLEM: Although I have been successful with installing KNOPPIX I can't install DSL neither on a 512MB no-name USB and a 1GB Apaccer. Both end with 'Can't find knoppix filesystem' and I can't fix it. Tried playing with various distributions and tested on 2 USB's and 3 PC's. Always the same problem.
DISCUSSION POST - Clarity in Install from Linux
This is a little unclear:
From within Linux
Download the dsl-embedded zipfile
But from within windows, you're just saying DSL, but it is unclear which one ..
- dentonlt 27 December 2008 09:18 (UTC): The tutorials are pretty clear on what version to get (no thanks to me). This question should probably be pulled.
Also, on linux, you said to format in FAT16, and in windows in FAT 32 ...
- dentonlt 27 December 2008 09:04 (UTC): added comment in Installing to USB From within Windows about using FAT32 vs FAT16. Just use what works.
DISCUSSION POST 3 - MBR
I'm not 100% sure that this was what did the trick, but after having some trouble with this I ran the command
and that seemed to be what fixed it. Can anyone verify wether that would make things work or not?
Also, my system (Ubuntu 6.10) required me to first install the install-mbr command:
-nFriedly 4 December 2006 22:36 (EST)
DISCUSSION POST 4 - QEMU
Hi I would like to know what exactly you mean with booting from within windows. Because this would perfectly match what I am looking for.
- A portable system (linux prefered) - Which I can boot from - and which (in case I cannot boot from) can be started in windows as well as in Linux
So here is my question can I boot from any of these systems ? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
You can boot a PC from what is called a LIVE CD. It is designed to let you boot into Linux without installing it on your hard drive or damaging anything in your current system. Your computer must be able to boot from a CD to do it though.
To "boot inside windows", you need a virtual machine. Look at Pendrivelinux.com under the topic virtual machine to run linux inside windows. It's pretty cool. With it you can "boot up" a Linux Live CD ISO that is on your hard drive from within windows. It is at: http://pendrivelinux.com/. The software is called VirtualBox.
I was even able to run Gparted inside the Linux virtual machine to modify some partitions on a USB drive not being used by Windows or Linux at the time.
There are many Live CD's available on the internet. You need the ISO file, which is usually about 600 or 700MB, the size of a CD. You can burn the ISO to a CD to boot from the CD if you don't want to run it inside windoze. A bunch of them are linked here: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/01/30/live-cd-repository/#more-84
DISCUSSION POST: Mac
It would be nice to have a "From within Mac OS X" section.
Start post dentonlt 27 December 2008 07:31 (UTC) I've added a mostly blank page on installing from Mac OS X. I don't have a Mac, or I'd figure it out myself. Explore and add your experience to the wiki! end post dentonlt 27 December 2008 07:31 (UTC)
DISCUSSION POST: Installing from within Windows (unclear)
I feel that this section is very unclear. When told to "run syslinux for the drive," I don't really understand what to do. I think somebody should really clarify this section.
Agreed, this is quite unclear. Please someone help?
Agreed again by me.
Maybe we have to install the syslinux we just downloaded?
Some explanation needs to be made where syslinux needs to be extracted to. There a lots of files in the syslinux folder. I extracted syslinux folder and all its contents to the usb drive which happened to be F: and then ran the SYSLINUX -ma F: command which created a .sys file. However when I rebooted I got 'unassigned' error messages ???
Start post dentonlt 27 December 2008 08:59 (UTC) Re all these posts about syslinux & the Windows tutorial: The tutorials all look 'more clear' at this point, but I'll clean them up a bit further if possible. None of the tutorials read "run syslinux for the drive" ... a Test Result comment says that, but it qualifies the meaning. Re 'where to extract syslinux to': RTM from syslinux, and read the Syslinux page.
I'll consider all this stuff solved. Probably time to pull down this content. end post dentonlt 27 December 2008 08:59 (UTC)
The syslinux part is easy... just download the whole thing from http://www.pendrivelinux.com/all-in-one-usb-dsl/, extract it somewhere(anywhere) and then run>cmd there you have to navigate to the root folder ect. It is all on the page.
Help about using syslinux
Since this is quite a long page, with lots of Discussion content ... I'll embark on a journey to clean it up. Dunno when I'll finish, but help certainly welcome. Predicted process (don't hold me to this):
- Add Intro & TOC statement
- Standardize process/steps for the installation types
- Move odd cases to separate section at the end
dentonlt 26 December 2008 09:30 (UTC)
Beta Page created
Beta page up
I've replaced this page with the same content, new format for clarity. If there is a problem with this (and I imagine somebody won't like it ...), you can go to Installing to a USB Flash Drive Old (the old page) and bring back the old format. dentonlt 27 December 2008 07:36 (UTC)
Moving v3.2 Modifications content
There's some good stuff in that section, but it's not exactly about installation - it's more about post-install, possible tweaking for the Windows install, etc. I'll:
- make a Windows Autorun and QEMU Mod page and move this content
- link it to Starting Programs at Boot and Install to USB From within Windows
Discussion/disagreement welcome. dentonlt 13 January 2009 13:31 (UTC)