User talk:Fioddor
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Mgeilinger: first of all, why can't i post in the dsl-forum?
Fioddor: Due to spam problems. Read the WikiSysOp's explanation.
Mgeilinger: wouldn't it be better to name the articles in the wiki in german instead of "Which File do I download? (long version)-de" ?
Fioddor: It's better for the users and worse for the mantainers. As you can imagine we have plenty of users but not so many volunteers. Thus, since we don't yet have enough manpower to aproach independant spanish/german/etc wikies I've opted to follow the english version as baseline. Using the english names with the languaje suffix is a rule borrowed from the aMule's wiki that helps to keep the structure aligned. Then I used the same approach in the german version.
I care more about the spanish wiki and it takes too much of my time to do the same in the german one. In other words: I somehow 'commit' with the manteinance of the spanish one, but just help as I see fit in the german one. So, keeping or abandoning the keep-the-structure-lined-up rule depends on the german community volunteers. I just recommend to keep it like this as long as there's not enough people, because it helps to keep track of how far everything is updated or not. In fact I'd even recommend to keep it forever and upgrade the english baseline if the germans get to take over.
Mgeilinger: ah, since i can't find this via google: do you know perhaps, what the keyboardlayout code for the swiss keyboard is? thx
Fioddor: Well, I guess that the country code is CH (Conferedation Helvetique)?? I've checked the list in kbdconfig (DSL Menu->System->Keyboard) and found fr_CH, fr_CH_latin1 and if they aren't, you might try it2 (alternative italian), de-latin1 (latin german) etc.
Thank You for the Music...
Fioddor says:
> (Translated headlines without lang-suffixes are) better for the users and worse for the mantainers. As you can imagine we have plenty of users but not so many volunteers. Thus, since we don't yet have enough manpower to aproach independant spanish/german/etc wikies I've opted to follow the english version as baseline. Using the english names with the languaje suffix is a rule borrowed from the aMule's wiki that helps to keep the structure aligned.
> (...) Keeping or abandoning the keep-the-structure-lined-up rule depends on the german community volunteers. I just recommend to keep it like this as long as there's not enough people, because it helps to keep track of how far everything is updated or not. In fact I'd even recommend to keep it forever and upgrade the english baseline if the germans get to take over.
My 50 cents: Providing different independend wikis is not to be recommended for an info project like this, because wiki users will end up in the "wikipedia syndrome" - so I call it. One's looking for sthing, just to find out that there is more/different info in other lang-versions, with more inter linked stuff to go for. So one has to read through (if able to read other than one's own mother tongue) at least english, french, german (...) pages to be shure to receive the most possible infos about an interesting topic. That's just horrible!^^
Better having a good/bad english template to translate and improve for all other langs nearly at the same time, than to bloat the whole wiki more and more! I just thik it's a clever solution...
... Don't mind the subject line - it's just that I've heard this ABBA song some minutes ago. ;-D
Greetings, weird Andi
Alternate idea for alternate languages
I agree with your comments about how we would need more people to maintain separate wikis for each language, but I think we can help the users another way.
How about an article with a well written Spanish, German, Russian, Chinese, or other language title that only contains a REDIRECT command to the translated English titled article with the language suffix. That solves the native speaker's search problem and maintains the current language suffix title for the maintainers.
Before I saw this conversation, I did the opposite for http://damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/%E8%87%AA%E5%88%B6UCI%E6%89%A9%E5%B1%95%E5%8C%85 which I pointed to with http://damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Creating_a_UCI_Extension-cn&redirect=no The idea is to have a non-English language search able title and leave the translated article near the English article in the http://damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Allpages list. It also means the non-English titled article needs no further maintenance.
DmSmLxRep 23 May 2008 17:34 (UTC)
Fioddor: Seems to be a good idea :-)
Note to Fioddor Wiki attacked by spambot
Hey this is Mir from the IRC chat support page. I was alerted by a user that the wiki has been attacked and some of the pages where deleted and all that was left where links to Canadian Pharmacy's and paycheck things. I deleted the links and wrote a message in hopes to get your attention. I am on the IRC chat channel if you need to talk to me.
--Fioddor 14 May 2012 12:32 (UTC)---- Hi Mir. Thank you for your help. The DSL Wiki is under spam attack for months, now. Every few days I make a clean up. For the moment, the wiki history allows me to revert the attacks. On higher intesity of attacks I'll lock down the pages. I'm trying to contact User:Winter Knight or other system admins for stronger solutions. In the machine I'm now, I cannot reach IRC. Maybe from home one of these days...
--Mir 14 May 2012 11:10 (PST)---- Good to know. i was alerted by someone looking for information on persistance. I made a backup of the Wireless page just in case as that is the most frequently used. we link to it on the IRC. Also i was wondering if i could edit the wiki page on IRC. It's a bit outdated and could use some new information.
--Fioddor 16 May 2012 11:48 (UTC)---- Sure! The wiki is (still) open.
--Mir I wasnt able to edit it. Is there some way to set it up so that people have to register to be able to edit pages? I have been waiting since August of 2008 to get the A-OK to be on the forum. Anywho the wiki is what we on the IRC refer people to a lot and the fact that the pages that contain information most frequently asked about is exceptionaly concerning. I am also a bit rusty with wiki stuff as i havent messed with wiki's since 2007.
--Fioddor 17 May 2012 06:36 (UTC)-- Can you mail me to gmail.com? (my address is obvious).
