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Posted: Nov. 12 2004,12:18 QUOTE

Dear Roberts, ke4nt1 et al

For someone who -

1. Has a lot of RAM, so runs liveCD toram
2. Puts the backup/restore tarball on their HD, which contains all  of their .deb cache

- I gather the upshot of this thread is that they are entirely better off avoiding .dsl's and instead sticking solely to apt-get, rather than restoring both tarball and .dsl's?
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Posted: Nov. 12 2004,14:09 QUOTE

simply check each if each file exists before writing, then make a list of all those that did not. :)

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Posted: Nov. 12 2004,14:13 QUOTE

The crux of the matter is this..

DSL is designed to be the best 50 MB LIVE-CD it can be ...
There are various ways to run this compressed filesystem ...
( Frugal, Poorman's, LiveCD, Embedded ) ...

The backup/restore features available are designed to enhance this design
by offering a writable, restorable method of operation to add function and
expansion to the compressed filesystem ...

The myDSL system is designed to further enhance this compressed
filesystems expansion capabilities, by allowing a user to easily add various
components to a write-limited / read-only filesystem, with the goal in mind
of keeping ram usage to a minimum thru a number of methods ...
( thin extensions, removal of docs/apps/package mgmt files, and installing
to non-typical areas [ /opt /tmp , rather than /usr/bin /usr/share ]
Robert designed this system with The Following Goal In Mind ...
{{{{ To enhance the compressed filesystem in DSL ...}}}}
I welcome his input in this thread ...

DSL does offer a HDInstall method, for those who choose to do so ...

Once installed, you have a non-compressed , debian-like filesystem ...
Then the benefits of the myDSL system and the backup/restore functions
are moot, since your filesystem is now completely writable and all added
components are permanently written to the HD.
At this point, the advantages of the well-designed apt-get package management
kick in, where adding components to your filesystem is very dynamic, with
dependency checks, upgrade paths, and uninstalls available to you ...

Trying to mix the two, HDInstalls and myDSL - backup/restore was never
intended or designed , although by good fortune, many of the extensions do
function nicely as installed items.  
And the icons/menu additions to the DSL system are usually welcomed by HDinstallers..
But the apt-get package management DOES NOT recognize
the installed extensions, so you shoot yourself in the foot later on,
by trading convienience for accountability, which may haunt you later by either
rendering your extension unusable, once critical files are overwritten by apt-get,
or creating dependency problems with the apt-get system in the future ...  
[ apt-get : xyz needs abc, but it is NOT going to be installed... ]
[ because you don't NEED or WANT to install firefox again...,
but the apt-get system DOESN'T KNOW THAT ...it just thinks it is missing. ]

Mixing the two is NOT recommended ...

:)

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Posted: Nov. 12 2004,14:15 QUOTE

eeeeeeeeeep

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Posted: Nov. 12 2004,14:56 QUOTE

Great post Ke4nt1! It's a great system(s).  So I had gleaned correctly - the simplest rule is: use one or the other, not both.

Perhaps Saidinunleased is noting this for the faq?

(Hilarious response ico2! I'm still smiling).
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