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Posted: Sep. 16 2005,22:22 QUOTE

All right guys,

I made an AIM (v1.5) .dsl.  I know GAIM is already in the repository but I am not a big fan of GAIM.  This is the newest version from AOhelL and the DSL rolls in at 1.0 Mb instead of GAIM's 5.6 Mb.  The only problem I am having before posting is that AOL licenses its package with the LGPL.  My understanding (from reading the license) is that I have the right to change the package and re-issue it, provided that I include all changes made.  Also, the new package can be licensed under the ordinary GNU General Public License.  

So, I guess my question is; would anyone be interested in this before I go to the trouble of modifying the license?  Also, will there be any problems hosting this file in the repository?

Let me know guys,


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Posted: Sep. 16 2005,22:40 QUOTE

Can Gaim be made into a .uci please

Especially since the gtk2 main package is 15Megs!  

How much space would that .dsl take if it was extracted?

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Posted: Sep. 16 2005,23:13 QUOTE

I don't know anything about a gaim.uci, sorry.

This package is 3.04 Mb unpacked.  You can trim that down if you delete the documentation, sound, and source code.


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Posted: Sep. 16 2005,23:25 QUOTE

Quote (Your Fuzzy God @ Sep. 16 2005,23:22)
The only problem I am having before posting is that AOL licenses its package with the LGPL.  My understanding (from reading the license) is that I have the right to change the package and re-issue it, provided that I include all changes made.  Also, the new package can be licensed under the ordinary GNU General Public License.

I'm confused. Why would a program having a LGPL licence be a problem? Why would relicencing to GPL be desirable when simply redistributing? The LGPL is less restrictive than the GPL.

Also my reading of this page is that AIM on Linux uses a modified GTK library and it is that which is under the LGPL, not AIM itself. There's no mention on that page of what licence AIM is available under. Freshmeat classifies the licence as 'freeware'. This may mean that redistribution is not permitted (at least I can't find anyway on the AOL that says redistribution is permitted).
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Posted: Sep. 17 2005,01:42 QUOTE

Agreed..

While the gtk elements are distributable under the LGPL,
( and so they must post it prominently.. )

The code for AIM itself is NOT under any but their own license..

With this type of licensing, DSL repositories will not hold code from AOL/AIM.

It may not even be legal to POST this license here.. ??

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