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Topic: Usage of murgaLua by DSL, FYI

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clivesay

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Posted: June 19 2008,01:39

Quote (JohnMurga @ June 18 2008,23:56)

Unfortunately it is you who has violated the license of my project.

Takedown requests for the affected versions of DSL will be sent out to all known mirrors in the morning once professional advice had been sought (I believe that with you being based in the US I have additional legal recourse).

You are invited to take remedial action before that time.

OK, now this is getting ridiculous. What professional advice are you going to seek?

Lawyer:
"Mr Murga, did you make an attempt to contact the DSL project leaders and inform them of their oversight?"

Mr Murga:
"No, I decided to write a message accusing malice on my website then post it to the DSL project's forum to elicit hostile responses from their community before I had any conversations with the developers."

I was trying to be objective earlier to your complaint but you are quickly showing that your intentions are not honorable and that you appear to be looking for an opportunity to damage a project that has promoted your work for awhile now. Apparently you never appreciated the DSL project using your work or else you wouldn't move so quickly to damage that relationship. People do sometimes make mistakes. I have no idea if that happened here but your actions definitely do not reflect a person who really is interested in working in a collaborative environment.

Chris

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Posted: June 19 2008,01:46

What is included in DSL was obtained from another website that created this derived work and not from site murga. That fact would be known if the thread I suggested to read was actually read.

If a specific License needs to be included then that will be done. DSL is actually a third party to this event. I repeat no malicious intent by anyone at DSL. The outside development was to be able to continue to use murgaLua. But perhaps that is not now going to be possible. I know that if the only choice is all-in-one murgaLua then I will pass. It is just too bloated and slow except for large machines.

I would like to hear from the developer of this shared library. John nor I removed anything. The shared library and its howto creation is from the other site. It is likely many have obtained this and not just from site DSL.

This should have been handled with the direct parties involved, instead of making outrageous claims against DSL and causing such ill will.

roberts

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Posted: June 19 2008,03:33

BTW. Looking at the .cxx files included with murgaLua, some have no copyrights some have gpl v2 reference. There is a full GPLv2 license.

There is a full gpl v2 license in all versions of DSL.

murgaLua also contains a separate compiler license which does not apply.

It will be interesting to hear from the developer of the shared library. From prior posts no source code was changed only the method of compilation. Therefore no documentation of said change is required per the gpl. I can attest to this, as I followed his compilation method without modifying a single line of code.

The real difference seems to be the claim of section 2c. Which John Murga now claims is obvious. Do all other project that use murgaLua use it only from the command line? I think not.

The derived work is not a command line modification of said work.

Still an interesting question.

Edited by roberts on June 19 2008,03:34

jpeters

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Posted: June 19 2008,08:46

Whoever said that geeks, nerds, wizards, etc., can't express emotions?

Okay....now back to work!

(note: the original post was rejected with the message:

"You have posted a message with more emoticons that (sic) this board allows. Please reduce the number of emoticons you've (sic) added to the message"

Emoticons deleted!!

Edit: I don't see why DSL should be restricting my right to use emoticons the way I see fit for my own purposes (I may seek counsel tomorrow)

lucky13

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Posted: June 19 2008,09:41

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The real difference seems to be the claim of section 2c. Which John Murga now claims is obvious.

The real difference appears to be what he has posted about "butchering" and "molesting" the "whole" by modifying it so the parts can be used as we see fit rather than as he sees fit. He linked to an example of his objections to this in his forums, where he says he won't support or condone separating the FLTK bindings.

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Do all other project that use murgaLua use it only from the command line? I think not.

How long has DSL used murgalua? Has he complained before about absence of source? About copyright messages whether linked internally or in some external form?

If it's just the copyright notices that have him whining now, I don't see how including them in some external form to provide him proper attribution doesn't remedy the situation. Except for his crappy, immature attitude and desire to make mountains out of molehills -- which makes dealing with him and using his code a bit of a hassle regardless of how well it serves us.

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